Step 1. Intro

This is a start meant to be used by 2k+ players against other 2k+ players. The reason is that this start is relying on the enemy to go with the common archer miner start or sword archer start and not a shitty CA start that actually beats this. This start potentially requires more micro than sword archer and archer miner as the player must keep all of his units alive or else be at an extreme disadvantage. This start is meant for short maps only, preferably castle. It is assumed that the player knows about forward kiting, g kiting, meatshielding, and has decent micro.

Step 2. The Start

The start itself is simple enough. Buy an archer and save the rest of that 200 gold. When your miners go in for the first round, get a second archer. After the second round get a sword. after that do whatever you feel is best given the situation.

Step 3. The Micro

when you get your first archer send him over to scout the enemies build. If they have an archer DO NOT ENGAGE. Dont even kite retreat. The reason for this is that eventually you will get a second archer, and then you can get off two shots for his every one, whereas if you engage now you will only be getting off one for one, which is a waste of health for a start that has little health to begin with.

Your opponent will either choose to stay at the tower and capture it, or attac,k your miners in the short period that you are vulnerable. (between your first and second archer) Or he can do both, with his sword taking the tower and archer attacking. Stay at your base no matter what he does and use your miners as shields for your archer. It is recommended that you keep both miners close to each other so that if one is low on health it can retreat behind the other. once you get your second archer you can easily fend off this attack.

Alternatively if he chooses to stay at the tower with both units, and get a second sword before attacking, this makes it very easy. dont engage until you have your second archer and when you do, it will be 2 archers vs sw sw archer. Try to keep the conflict near your base so that miners can potentially block/damage the enemy. if you can keep both archers and miners alive until your sword comes out you are pretty much set to win the game. Push hard with all of your attacking unitsand try to do as much damage to his economy as you can.

Example of a match: www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay6358593&version=2.09

I may upload more.

This startegy can also be used to some degree of effectiveness against elementals fire start. (unless theres lag. If theres lag, just give up)

Now that is how people should write out tactics, in a readable and understandable format acknowledging the limitations of the method described and what it is effective against.

Lag makes this start very hard :(

Quote from jli

Lag makes this start very hard :(

nice thread jerry, lag wrecks all starts. It causes delay and completed f*cks up micro.

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nice thread jerry, lag wrecks all starts. It causes delay and completed f*cks up micro.

1.2-1.6 elo microless starts do quite well in lag :P

@Jli yup, that's why I only use this start when I'm playing against someone I know doesn't lag.

@Ben kinda, usually the starts that need less micro have the advantage it lag e.g. sword archer is better to use than miner archer.

@Skeletonf thanks. :P Though this was slightly easy to write because of how short the game usually is when using this start. Writing something like this for other strategies could be challenging. And yes spearton start+lag. Lol

This is hard to pull off, although the instructipns are pretty precise. Definitely a good tip jerrytt.

lol I used to do a similar thing, except I start with two miners, then go for 2 archers. XP

However I think a starter like that would only suit maps like Ice World, Forest, or any map with a similar size to that.

Terry, the only same thing in your strat and jery's strat is getting 2 archers.

Hm...
What happens if the enemy just microes his swords after the first 2 archers die?
If he goes archer miner he will be at a considerable Eco advantage.
Even if somehow you manage to keep tower in your grabbing a miner or sword after the second arch the opponent can micro swords constantly pushing you off center and forcing either another arch or a ca eventually.

Although if the player is lagging I can see the benefit.

"Micros swords" mind being more specific?

Yes but i will be at a considerable army advantage

Making a constant stream of swords isn't a very good idea... Once someone gets a second archer (or if they managed to save their 2 archers) the stream of swords become useless as the archers can easily outdamage it, and the enemy will have spent all that money on swords and not on archers. Archers are king on short maps. If two people have equal econ the person with more archers will pretty much win.

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Archers are king on short maps. If two people have equal econ the person with more archers will pretty much win.

The thing with swords though is that they're less expensive. You can eco up more when you have swords. Unless you're facing someone who doesn't know what they're doing the sword player will have a bigger eco.

it takes 7 arrows for 1 sword. ill have 3 miners over your two. giving me 75 g advantage. your miners bring back 150 for either a miner or sword. if you dont go sword ill bring back another 225 for archer. ill have same archers but more swords.

This is the JerryTT start lol...
You know I actually use this XD

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This is the JerryTT start lol...

Nah. Jerrytt start is 2 miners into Archers.