You guys need to be more stern. Sometimes being too soft will result in them being worse. And if they get hurt by the truth, they should fix themselves because well, its true.

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AI you hacker why have u changed my thread and changed my posts if u don't change it back I will report u to Crazy Jay

And THIS my ladies and gentlemen

is a perfect example of how Lewis dodges the topic as we try to speak the truth about him.

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You guys need to be more stern. Sometimes being too soft will result in them being worse. And if they get hurt by the truth, they should fix themselves because well, its true.

I believe hewitt has already achieved this "sternness" by pitting the entire community against him.

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It also doesn't help that tec turns a blind eye towards all this (actually I don't know.

I don't turn a blind eye, I ignore everyone's double post and try to merge them, sometimes I get lazy. I've given him infractions for triple posting before

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I don't see why I should post on here and then have people criticize my grammar you are not my English teacher.

Someone needs to be. My rating is a half eaten roast beef sandwich out of 10.

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We are doing this because in every thread it always seems to be the same: lewislewis fucking around and being oblivious or easily offended of his misdemeanors and Tecness passively not giving a shit because it appears that everything is a-okay. But it's not a-okay, gents. I dont really bother with this place, but even I can see that the username pops up almost everywhere to the point of annoyance. You've tried telling him off subtly, but now let us tell him off directly.

Also im pretty sure everyone wants to vent on the little guy without penalty.

If Lewis want's to not take anybody's advice, that's his problem and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. If everyone wants to continue to try to help him even thought they know he won't listen, that's their problem and there's nothing I can do about it. You could easily ignore him and eventually he'd just stop(I'm assuming).

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Skeleton, you're talking about the way that we are pushing him too hard with all the criticism...that he is only going to act worse and more defensive.

Truth is...I think you're right...but it does not seem likely that he will come to an agreement with others on the subject of his actions...and if we praise him...then wouldn't he just keep doing it?

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If Lewis want's to not take anybody's advice, that's his problem and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. If everyone wants to continue to try to help him even thought they know he won't listen, that's their problem and there's nothing I can do about it. You could easily ignore him and eventually he'd just stop(I'm assuming).

I never meant to imply we should praise him (certainly not for the sake of doing it) but that to make him take advice well is it often necessary to phrase it more assertively than aggressively and tease people out of getting too defensive.

A few years ago I could not take criticism very well at all, and I can look through said site and see my own capability change from totally blind and oblivious defensiveness to being able to shrug off hater comments and respond openly to comments criticising me and learn from them.

The community is hardly required to treat users uber nicely, especially when a lot of what they post seems like spam, but the way you phrase your responses can gradually make changes and get us to a point where lewis is actually communicating properly, rather than dismissing everything as an ad hominem attack even more now than ever.

Pestering him about everything he hasn't responded to alongside making it very clear we are referring to his ideas and criticising them in a respectful way would be a lot more effective than this.
Though I have to admit it was hilarious seeing this forum get 'hacked' by Ai and how the entire thread topic was changed.

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I don't turn a blind eye, I ignore everyone's double post and try to merge them, sometimes I get lazy. I've given him infractions for triple posting before

I understand that your provisions for the double posting rule around here are more lax and I respect that. However, lewislewis is abusing the rule to the point of downright exploiting it just because he's too lazy to merge posts himself; that he is double-posting now just because he can, and not because it's an accident or anything. If you want to keep holding his hand and spoiling him that way then that's not my problem, but can you honestly keep this up forever and expect him to change once you're gone? Whereas if infractions slowly kept him at bay, it could've prevented the problem in the first place. And yes, it IS a problem.

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If Lewis want's to not take anybody's advice, that's his problem and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. If everyone wants to continue to try to help him even thought they know he won't listen, that's their problem and there's nothing I can do about it. You could easily ignore him and eventually he'd just stop(I'm assuming).

No he's never going to stop. He's never going to stop because he assumes this is normal behavior because of the reason above. We're not asking him to take anyone's advice nor are we asking the users in this thread to stop advising him. You're missing the point: This thread is to simply gauge the collective opinion on his character, and whether or not the users really mean what they say or if they're just fucking around. And it looks to me like it really is the former. That's pretty much it.

And what's this attitude about Lewis not being able to change. YOU'RE A MOD. Do something.

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The community is hardly required to treat users uber nicely, especially when a lot of what they post seems like spam, but the way you phrase your responses can gradually make changes and get us to a point where lewis is actually communicating properly, rather than dismissing everything as an ad hominem attack even more now than ever.

See, it's even come to this. It's this specific mentality that's causing such grief for such a troubling user. We're suppose to set an example. We're suppose to treat users nicely. And yet, with such a passive aggressive method, lewislewis is left to run free, not knowing that he is ever in the wrong. Because his behavior is treated as acceptable, when as this thread has shown the majority believe it's not.

Gentlemen, this forum is based on the Golden Rule: Treat users with respect, and they respect you. Maybe you guys could hold off on the punches as well. That goes double for you, BuddyLucky. Restrain yourselves and if you think you can't handle the situation then don't take it into your own hands. REPORT IT. I'll come swooping down to deal some justice myself.

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Skeleton, you're talking about the way that we are pushing him too hard with all the criticism...that he is only going to act worse and more defensive.

Truth is...I think you're right...but it does not seem likely that he will come to an agreement with others on the subject of his actions...and if we praise him...then wouldn't he just keep doing it?

For god's sake BuddyLucky put the gun down. The problem isn't that any of you are telling him enough. The problem is that you have sucha lackadaisy mod who sees that users like lewislewis are acting 'fine'. He steps in to nudge you guys back on topic, but he does nothing to prevent this absurd behavior down here

You are left to accept that this is totally fine and so you persecute him more. But the truth is, this is ridiculous. It's happened in the past with other problematic users like Shadow-whatever his name is and I had to step in to ban him myself. So if it comes to that then yeah I will ban lewislewis for being an obnoxious twat who keeps dodging responses. I can't believe Tecness can't see what's really going on here.

3/10, nuff said. Reasons already spoken, Hewitt is a badass mod, +1

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I never meant to imply we should praise him (certainly not for the sake of doing it) but that to make him take advice well is it often necessary to phrase it more assertively than aggressively and tease people out of getting too defensive.

A few years ago I could not take criticism very well at all, and I can look through said site and see my own capability change from totally blind and oblivious defensiveness to being able to shrug off hater comments and respond openly to comments criticising me and learn from them.

The community is hardly required to treat users uber nicely, especially when a lot of what they post seems like spam, but the way you phrase your responses can gradually make changes and get us to a point where lewis is actually communicating properly, rather than dismissing everything as an ad hominem attack even more now than ever.

Pestering him about everything he hasn't responded to alongside making it very clear we are referring to his ideas and criticising them in a respectful way would be a lot more effective than this.
Though I have to admit it was hilarious seeing this forum get 'hacked' by Ai and how the entire thread topic was changed.

So you're sayin that we all have to treat him specially just because he's a kid and he doesn't know anything about abiding the rules or accepting his mistakes or at least respecting the others? No, we aint his teachers or such. If he wants to learn some manners and how to behave right, he has schools for that. Why do we have to change our attitude for just an individual? Here is a forum community, and we aren't gonna treat people differently in any circumstances. You can't just expect us to "properly guide him to behave better" to every users like that (Btw, we all use proper languague, it's not like any of us curse or such). If he fail to cope with this community with such behavior, then I suggest he finds somewhere else to show his childish manners. We don't need users like him around here.

I haven't seen him directly insult anyone. (PMs?) Even when being conssistently berrated by the SE community. So he has that on us.
But the absolute refusal to simply edit his posts is irritating and immature.(I see that ONE edit back there)
Ai you should be calling Lewis obnoxios. Stop being obnoxios and spamming my page with 3 one paragraph posts. I think after that, we'll all be getting along.

6/10

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I haven't seen him directly insult anyone. (PMs?) Even when being conssistently berrated by the SE community. So he has that on us.
But the absolute refusal to simply edit his posts is irritating and immature.(I see that ONE edit back there)
Ai you should be calling Lewis obnoxios. Stop being obnoxios and spamming my page with 3 one paragraph posts. I think after that, we'll all be getting along.

6/10

No one's been trying to insult anyone here. The reason we're doing this is because of his persistent irritating behavior (obviously.)

Also I don't mean to backseat mod or anything, but can we have this thread locked? I think we're done with everything here, especially how Hewitt pretty much wrapped all this up.