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If you need a long ass break then you go and have a long ass break, if Camila or whoever want to continue with the next version it's up to them lol

But don't worry because I'd be surprised to see a version 6

No offence to Camila but I don't think she's fit to run a version 6
No one at all seemed to like the ideas she came up for rounds, as evident by the extraordinarily low amount of people that participated in this version. Also, and I didn't want to bring this up until bse was officially over, but I was a judge for one of the rounds and because Camila didn't agree with my scores she changed them as she pleased. I don't think that's fair and if she thinks that it's ok to do that then she shouldn't be allowed to host.
Although along with ACB, I'd be pretty surprised to see another round anyway

Whoa whoa what. She changed your scores? That's the first time I've heard of it. Sounds like an issue both of you should settle privately before anyone else takes her actions out of context.

Also please stop blaming Camila solely. Ever since the beginning of this event, people have been blaming Camila for practically everything to the extent that she often expresses her agonizing woes in the batcave. What about Tsang guys. He is also to blame for at least half the stuff that happened. There were times when he wasn't even around to do what needed to be done.

And as for the rounds' themes...yeah I've got to agree with you there. Arch and I have talked about it as well, but we didn't say anything because it was not our event to run. We wanted to run one ourselves, but other things fell through for us so it didn't push through. Regardless, we cannot fault Camila for "ruining" BSE. It's not like she did these things on purpose to piss you guys off. So just lay off her already. At least the BSE stayed until the end. Be thankful she even gave the users the time of day to meticulously host all 10 rounds (well most of it).

Exactly what Hewitt said. I even suggested way back towards the beginning that if people could quit bitching about scores and maybe suggest things that they would like to see then that would be a lot more productive and beneficial for them. The point of BSE this go around was to take everyone outside of their comfort zone and try something new and original. I even suggested the extreme versions of the rounds to help get people extra points and catch up some if they've missed out. You guys should be happy that Camila adjusted my idea because what I had in mind was brutal as fuck.

If anything you guys should be thanking Camila for her good work, because she is the one that hosted every round and got the judges together to try to get everyone their scores in a fair amount of time. I'm not trying to bash you, Tsang, but you're the one that shouldn't be put in a hosting position again, man. I mean, you failed miserably. It's been over a month and the competition hasn't even ended. Mustika did a much better job at keeping everything going. If not for Mustika and Camila this version would have died ages ago and the people who really wanted to use this to get better might not have. I mean, FL-Nordin has gotten a lot better since his first round.

It's crazy how much stuff actually goes on behind the scenes that normal users have no clue about and take for granted. You guys are fucking disappointing.

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Whoa whoa what. She changed your scores? That's the first time I've heard of it. Sounds like an issue both of you should settle privately before anyone else takes her actions out of context.

I don't have an issue, Drone just said some stuff after me that's it. I don't care if people take her actions out of context, it's up to them to decide upon whatever they're reading. Does it look like I'm a reliable source...?

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Also please stop blaming Camila solely. Ever since the beginning of this event, people have been blaming Camila for practically everything to the extent that she often expresses her agonizing woes in the batcave. What about Tsang guys. He is also to blame for at least half the stuff that happened. There were times when he wasn't even around to do what needed to be done.

I don't care about whether Camila is or isn't doing a good job any more since personally IMO I don't like this bse version and so I stopped participating in it and stopped bitching about it, the reason why Camila gets all of the blame is because she took the responsibility of bse and this is what happens if you host it poorly, I would just like to add that 'if you are too busy to host a competition on a website then what do you do, you don't host a competition on a website'
and it's not even like this is the toughest thing to do, how did everyone else before this version host it completely fine. Oh I know maybe it was because they weren't sillybillys..

maybe Tsang should have helped more but I don't care
I actually like Tsang he's a nice guy.

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And as for the rounds' themes...yeah I've got to agree with you there. Arch and I have talked about it as well, but we didn't say anything because it was not our event to run. We wanted to run one ourselves, but other things fell through for us so it didn't push through. Regardless, we cannot fault Camila for "ruining" BSE. It's not like she did these things on purpose to piss you guys off. So just lay off her already. At least the BSE stayed until the end. Be thankful she even gave the users the time of day to meticulously host all 10 rounds (well most of it).

lmao you talk like as if you would make great hosts for the competition yet no one likes you guys why would anyone join unless they didn't know you LOL

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if people could quit bitching about scores and maybe suggest things that they would like to see then that would be a lot more productive and beneficial for them.

Haha yeah if only it didn't take so fucking long,

maybe if the hosts hosted the competition it would be a lot more productive and beneficial for us

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The point of BSE this go around was to take everyone outside of their comfort zone and try something new and original. I even suggested the extreme versions of the rounds to help get people extra points and catch up some if they've missed out. You guys should be happy that Camila adjusted my idea because what I had in mind was brutal as fuck.

personally, I think better ideas come from people who actually have some experience in animating, or at least are good at creating initiative ideas,

who are you.

Why should I consider anything you say important since you couldn't even hold your mod status and yet you abused your powers anyway (this isn't a personal insult btw this is the internet, it's never personal)

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I'm not trying to bash you, Tsang, but you're the one that shouldn't be put in a hosting position again, man. I mean, you failed miserably. It's been over a month and the competition hasn't even ended.

wow, I actually can't believe you said that lol

I have my opinion to share about my BSE experience.
To be honest, I would say certains things and then keep quiet till the next rounds but my experience has been uncomfortable due to a lot of argument and disagreements, as much as I want to come in the situation and say something I do not want to add fuel into the fire.

2 host hosted BSE and was still a struggle to handle due to one person doing all the work while the other ghosted somewhere else, Mustika has done a very good job maintain the rest of BSE and I would suggest her becoming the next host of BSE.

BSE should not be a competition and be classes as group exercises because since the main focus of this competition was to try new things and get out of your comfort zone, a few round back I was bothered of what the prize was going to be since last version had a very small prize pool and was thinking before that the outcome of the competition would be more appropriate since this is a long time competition happening, plus earning much less as we work for a year and then GTL or CC earnings are much more than BSE within thee months.

There will be people who make a effort to do all ten round due to the fact that we work hard to get where we are today, prize or not I would have still done it regardless.

This version felt really unprepared, broken and had bad service, and even before Mustika came by to help, the mods can also contribute into this and help out, you do not have to be officials but you can volunteer to helping out since you guys knew the struggle for Camila.

Before making another version BSE must be planned out for all ten rounds, templates and graphics must be made to cover all ten rounds. *I didn't feel this happened and was made by the top of their minds (Due to fact of long delays and inactivity).

The posts I see regularly (When is the next round coming out?)
This was a problem that kept recurring and should have been a problem that should have been considered resolving, like due dates, it should provide the next dates to when the next round is coming, they suppose to give us a week break but the next rounds would come out 3-4 weeks later.

Again this is what I can only think of but I would like my opinion to be forwarded to the next version so that animator can have a better experience.

I agree with you SJT. I personally would rather see rounds that lasted 1-2 weeks and came sooner than later. That's why it's important to understand that when you put about all of the pressure of the competition on one person who truly cares about it shit actually gets pretty stressful. You guys probably wouldn't believe the stress Camila endured trying to keep this going for you guys, and I even asked to help in any way possible. It's like I said in my post, there is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes of StickPage that no one knows about and that impacts a lot of things that goes on around here. The problem I have with this is that while one host was complaining about IRL stuff going on, the other host was being bashed while trying to prioritize this just as much as their IRL priorities all for the sake of everyone who actively participated.

dafuq?,
i didnt had (any) problems with this version, maybe becuase im a more patient person idk, but i dont know how the previous versions experiences where to judge this version, this was my first participation in a BSE competition and all i can complain about is the things that where getting complained about.
i ask a question - question gets awnsered
everything other than that is just luxury, since i dont need more than that to create an animation
the overall score board was nice and all, but people are defeneatly gonna complain about that if it doesnt show up at the next version instantly (it was very handy tho)
bitching about elements is defeneatly a personal thing, some like it, some not, those who didnt do all 10 rounds becuase they didnt like the element, its their loss, since i tried to learn something from each of them, not all of them where element releated, but i did learn someting from them.
before BSE, the feeling of finishing someting and turning it in was unfamiliar for me, but as i did more and more rounds i got used to that feeling.

i dont like the fact that most of the blame is on camila, or on anyone really, since its just all luxury that people where getting used to, sure its annoying if someone says he/she is gonna host or help host and he/she doesnt, but in the end its all about what the competitors/participants see, i saw a thread with information on it, and when i had a question, it got awnsered. by bringing that batcave problem in here you guys are only showing me that BSE is more than a thread, while it actually IS just a thread, nothing more nothing less. idk, correct me if im wrong, becuase i dont really see a point in getting so annoyed with something like this, its all so nitpicky.

i see stone hosting a thread/competition, no problems there, i also dont see a difference with that vs this one, so whats the complain about?

to be honest,
( this is my opinion and i certainly dont want to offend anyone )
you guys did all a great job, i know its hard to organize a long term event like bse,
i just think that you guys wanted to 're'make bse and alter the original meaning of it..
i see bse just as a competition, i think this was the goal of bse in the beginning, letting people compete to be the best!
everyone can join every round, so that the newbs get the change to battle the pros and when the newbs(or pros) fail to be the best, they can retry the next round.
ofcourse, during the animating process, the newbs will learn a ton of new stuff, cuz they are inspired by the pros ( they wanna beat the so bad )
but this 'learning' process shouldnt be the 'goal' of bse...

it is ofcourse fun to get a challenging combo with a hard 'element'
but not everyone (like myself) is prepared to do this 'challenge', atleast not every round!
this is also why a lot of people ditch bse (i think so)
cuz they just dont want to take the challenge (maybe its to hard for them, or too much work...)

bse shouldnt be hard.. the point is that everyone can animate the element!
i was lill dissapointed in the elements this year, but thats my problem, not yours..
i just thought they were a somewhat monotone, id loved to see some 'superpower' elements, but yea.. thats maybe for next time


other than that..
you guys were certainly determed to make something special out of this bse!
and i appreciate that!
but the thing is, just like sjt said, things couldv been a little better, like the timing and the judges and everything..
ofcourse you guys dont have everyting in control, but this is a somewhat big event, so everything should run smoothly
i think due dates and preselection of elements is a good idea!

again, i dont wish to offend anyone, we all made mistakes, thats something humans do.
important thing is, we learn from our mistakes ( a little controversial i know ) and try to do it better next time

thanks for reading this!
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If somebody offered to host BSE, how is it not bad that when they do a terrible job they're not bashed?
This version, there were 2 hosts. Additionally, Mustika did SO much for this version even though it should have been done by the hosts.
And I witnessed Camilla asking somebody to make a combo for BSE, and one time, she even asked me for a combo in the #NEMESIS channel. Now I dont know about you guys, but to me this seems like some crappy hosting. Then there also seemed to be alot of miscommunication between the judges because there were multiple times Camila seemed to be having plans for BSE without even telling Tsang. Such as when she changed Drone's scores.
In some rounds Camila was putting in weird combos and elements and multiple times she had to link some shitty quality youtube video showing off some weird ass wrestling move that you couldn't even animate

i agree with drone and acbeam, I think that she isn't fit to host another version

By the way guys, I can work with the scores this last round... I mean I don't know when does Tsang want to do the final scores... and since it was supossed to end in October 19th. I just think is kinda disrespectul to all of you... So I'll see what can I do today. I just have a test of database but after that I should be able to try something if I can't contact Tsang by the time. ♥~

Edit: oh sorry, keep arguing and stuff. ^^^That's for the ones that actually care lol

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By the way guys, I can work with the scores this last round... I mean I don't know when does Tsang want to do the final scores... and since it was supossed to end in October 19th. I just think is kinda disrespectul to all of you... So I'll see what can I do today. I just have a test of database but after that I should be able to try something if I can't contact Tsang by the time. ♥~

yeah cewl, thanks

Honestly, I don't understand this whole point you guys keep bringing up about Camila being the sole host even though Tsang was meant to help, all the previous bse iterations only had one host and there were never as many problems as this one had. Another thing is that Camila offered to help, originally Tsang was meant to be doing this himself
would that have been a disaster too? Yes, it would have because Tsang hasn't been a very good host either tbh, but again that wasn't the point.
If there is going to be another BSE then someone should take serious consideration to what SJT said, he has some seriously great points. I'm not trying to argue about anything, but get someone who's actually invested in this to host the next one, this can't happen again

I'm not going to say how the hosts and judges did during this version of BSE because you guys are simply awesome, OK? *hugs*

Alright guys I didn't expect things to go like this from previous page. Please folks, I want you to thank us all - who contributes to the BSE organizing - in a pretty much the same level. Still appreciate those appraisal towards me though, but as you can see I didn't do the combos and also special elements so I was actually a little bit clueless with them. It's one of the hosts' works after all.

Regardless of what Camila did from people's claims (with no further evidence so far), I still want to thank her to give me a chance to organize these scores (that I managed in three hours for my first official volunteering from the very 1st round) while eventually I could just do an unseen mistakes as well in the end. Who knows? I do also realize that my coming was kind of late as it was on the halfway of the whole BSE progress. Personally got so much help from the previous BSE with the scoring (that I believe Hewitt did those along with Oxob, salutations for inspiring me).

Plus got to say that I salute to all people who participates in this whole event, especially for the top 5 who did [almost] all rounds :3 I realize there are some issues that prevents some people to keep going but I don't want to talk about it since it's your personal choice after all.

Now now, how about waiting for the result and then maybe do an open discussion for the possible future BSE. I know SJT wanted to suggest me as a future host X3 but unfortunately I don't really have any courage and responsibility to do one since I'm also busy in real life, and not sure if I could invest my time by arranging the combos and special elements stuff since I'm no expert for those. But worry not, I think I can still manage the scores like now if the next version really comes. :D

Cheerio~.

Not another bse argument x-x Well atleast it's more civil this time. Anyway, just want to point out that despite hosting problems this bse was still successful in the end. In fact more people completed all the rounds that the 2 previous bse's, and there was much more competition for positions (last time it was just me, Fordz and Flashwire for a lot of it). My only real problems tbh was the lack of a score table (rather important in an event like this) and the rounds may have been a little to difficult (leading to a lot of people not bothering to turn up). Much worse as been all the arguing which made me want to quite the site just to escape it all x-x .
Hopefully the next one will go better in that regard. And thanks to the hosts (including Mustika) for not letting the event die altogether.

I swear to god, every single time I come here it's just miserable people like you giving Camila a hard time for hosting BSE.
Do you realize how much effort actually goes into hosting massive events like these? It's a busy job, it's time consuming and you have to constantly give up large chunks of your time to work towards it, and the slightest event in real life can get in the way and cause a lot of problems, it's a tough job, and I'm willing to bet none of you would be able to successfully host it. How many of you can even host 5 minute collaborations or clans that have ever done anything?

And before you all give Camila a hard time about the elements, she didn't actually decide any of them. Tsang did, and that was all he did. Camila tried her hardest to keep this together, so you can at least give her a little bit of respect for that. Your attitudes in this thread are flat out fucking appalling, once again.