Who needs paint when you have flash?.

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Who needs paint when you have flash?.

Oh yeah youre right
But the paint system just got better though.

It feels like Friday today even though it's Tuesday.
Stop fucking me around time

LOL. Just lol.

SteamOS is being over hyped. There's literally no reason to see this as "the next big thing", unless you're just addicted to valvecock. Sounds interesting, sure, but in the end it's just a Linux OS on a PC hooked to your tv. You can have that now if you want.

Also, windows 8 is shit, not because of the UI, but because Windows is forcing the whole App store idea. They're turning more and more into Apple, with their focus on Windows Phone & Surface.

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SteamOS is being over hyped. There's literally no reason to see this as "the next big thing", unless you're just addicted to valvecock. Sounds interesting, sure, but in the end it's just a Linux OS on a PC hooked to your tv. You can have that now if you want.

There seems to be a lot more to hype about then just the OS though. And gaming on Linux isn't exactly ideal, Valve is the only big company I've heard of that releases all their games to run natively on it. If the picture Slippery-Q posted is true it might change the way future consoles will be designed.

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There seems to be a lot more to hype about then just the OS though. And gaming on Linux isn't exactly ideal, Valve is the only big company I've heard of that releases all their games to run natively on it. If the picture Slippery-Q posted is true it might change the way future consoles will be designed.

1) Never take anything seen on 4chan as fact. Ever. They do millions of those every time something happens. Complete bullshit
2) It wouldn't change how console would be designed at all. It would only mean that Linux would become a much more viable option as an OS for a gamer, but it would only be noticed by enthusiasts anyway, meaning it wouldn't do a goddamn thing

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I'm going to get a new laptop soon. It has everything I ever wanted 6gb of ram 1TB of memory, AMd video card, my only problem is that it has windows 8, and I don't know if I'll ever get used to it.

It really depends; like Win 7 just install it with 6gb ram your os will be plenty fast, if you can handle it stick with Win 8. Don't let Microsoft tell you what OS to use just cause they are making all the new ones Windows 8

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SteamOS is being over hyped. There's literally no reason to see this as "the next big thing", unless you're just addicted to valvecock. Sounds interesting, sure, but in the end it's just a Linux OS on a PC hooked to your tv. You can have that now if you want.

At first I thought similar, butt then I realized that this is not only makes more sense than valve releasing a console, but it gives them a leg up against their competitors and against piracy. A gaming OS streamlines resources toward the game which is why consoles have the software optimization advantage. SteamOS takes that advantage and gives it to PCs which are much more powerful. In a sense its brilliant. Its like an F2P model for gaming hardware. Let the consumer waste time and money buying hardware and creating a machine; console makers, excluding Nintendo, sell machines at a loss to increase marketshare. SteamOS is free so their is no cost barrier. Valve simply spend r&d on making Steam OS and digital distribution takes care of the rest, rather than production and physical distribution. Since Valve makes money from software and console makers make money off of software, why not skip the physical middle man. Valve will make there money back overnight. The SteamOS storefront is accessible from the OS 24/7 rather than Origin, GoG, or Desura. Boot into SteamOS and you've got the most powerful "console" on the market, 100% digital, up-gradable, and customizable with streaming capabilities. Also since its a custom OS, pirates would have to modify the OS rather than simple program files/registry keys to crack games making it much harder to do so. This extra security will attract Developers. This thing has huge potential and the momentum is there.

What will make or break it is how much driver support it has, how light the OS is, and whether or not its fully compatible with Steam's library.

I also think this won't come to play quickly, people who buy consoles will still buy consoles. In 5+ years time is most likely when it could be the game-changer. Cheap Home PC's with steam support.

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Also, windows 8 is shit, not because of the UI, but because Windows is forcing the whole App store idea. They're turning more and more into Apple, with their focus on Windows Phone & Surface.

Exactly!
Granted Google gets a free pass because its Google and its a browser so...

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2) It wouldn't change how console would be designed at all. It would only mean that Linux would become a much more viable option as an OS for a gamer, but it would only be noticed by enthusiasts anyway, meaning it wouldn't do a goddamn thing

It could eliminate the conventional physical console altogether.
This is pure speculation, but based on the changes between generations its difficult to fathom how 9th gen will actually look and what it will improve. Previous Gen's were about improving Graphics and Performance, with slight improvements in game handling. 8th gen has improved in graphics and performance, but aren't top tier at the start anymore. The improvements are mainly software side, treating games as applications to decrease load time and increase system stability. Reasonably speaking 9th gen doesn't stand a chance because eighth gen has already hit the ceiling of cost effectiveness/hardware. Wii U is an outlier b/c its more comparable to 7th gen with slight power improvements. Had it been the PS4 or XB1 it would simply be another 7th gen model. So for 9th gen Wii UU can become a PS4/XB1 with hardware of the time, but Nintendo will have to spend a lot of money just to catch up to Sony and Microsoft's infrastructure. So even for Nintendo it doesn't make sense to make a 9th gen console. Although they probably will do it anyway. The problem is compounded for Sony and Microsoft because they sell at a loss so they would have to sell an affordable powerful console that can out price low mid and high performance pcs. Its unreasonable.
At the same time, console Manfacturers can team up with Valve to benefit rather than be harmed.
Nintendo isn't a hardware manufacturer, so they could go third party/Steam exclusive while still selling branded handhelds, if that lasts. They could also still market cheap consoles for kids.
Sony's Vita TV could usher in a new generation of microconsoles that compete with nintendo's hardware and link up to the Playstation Ecosystem. SCE could also partner with Valve to give Steam OS access to the Playstation Ecosystem. Sony's hardware division could make a low cost pc that to sell with Steam OS support.
Microsoft has the least options since it is an inherent Software company. They could either bite the bullet and make Win 9 support easy dual booting, or try to beat SteamOS but would be at a major disadvantage. They could also make a microconsole. But seeing as they will probably cut off 360 that late it would only work with XB1 and XBL.
Microconsoles and Digital Distribution are the future of console gaming, closed hardware is already a burden and its cheaper to simply cast them off, but this is dependent on availability of cheap powerful PC's and gamer marketshare.

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Also since its a custom OS, pirates would have to modify the OS rather than simple program files/registry keys to crack games making it much harder to do so. This extra security will attract Developers. This thing has huge potential and the momentum is there.

Not at all. Console games are usually cracked within week of release and they work the same. Piracy is heavily blown out of proportion anyway, it's something Publishers care about, not developers. The only thing that generates developer interest is A) The Developers actually personally care about a platform, like Valve does about Linux, but this almost never occurs anymore, or B) a platform has a large install base and thus a lot of potential costumers.

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whether or not its fully compatible with Steam's library.

It won't. Maybe some big names, of course all Valve games, but not every game in Steam's library. Too many devs that wouldn't go to the trouble, not yet.

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I also think this won't come to play quickly, people who buy consoles will still buy consoles. In 5+ years time is most likely when it could be the game-changer. Cheap Home PC's with steam support.

Exactly. It'll take years and years for this thing to get a decent amount of users. Linux still has this giant stigma attached to it of being "complex" and for "computer autists". People aren't going to use this until after years of time it's proven to be incredibly simple, which means it'll have a small audience which means low developer interest. Which is too bad, considering Windows 9 and 10 are probably going to be even bigger fuck ups than Windows 8 so we'll be stuck with that for a while.

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It could eliminate the conventional physical console altogether.

Pfffffffff. Yeah, sure thing buddy.


Now, the most interesting part of your post. The one where you go complete imbecile. Responses in bold in the quote.

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This is pure speculation, but based on the changes between generations its difficult to fathom how 9th gen will actually look and what it will improve. This already invalidates everything that follows by your own logic, but okay, whatever
Previous Gen's were about improving Graphics and Performance, with slight improvements in game handling. 8th gen has improved in graphics and performance, but aren't top tier at the start anymore. And that's for a reason. The 6th gen was the beginning of the end for gaming. It showed how powerful hardware meant shit in regards to sales. PS2 sold over 150 million, while Gamecube barely made 30. It also started the multiplatform war between Microsoft and Sony, while Nintendo started to be seen as "childish" for not being supermature about everything. It's the reason why Nintendo went with cheap hardware (and they turned out to be right in regards to sales) and why Microsoft and Sony ignored Nintendo and the idea of innovating and went for semi-pc's that played 'mature' multiplatform games. The market demanded and they supplied and this won't change any time soon.
The improvements are mainly software side, treating games as applications to decrease load time and increase system stability. Reasonably speaking 9th gen doesn't stand a chance because eighth gen has already hit the ceiling of cost effectiveness/hardware.It doesn't stand a chance against what? PC? SteamOS? You think people care about that? Consoles make shit tons of money, way more than Valve ever will with Steam or SteamOS
Wii U is an outlier b/c its more comparable to 7th gen with slight power improvements. Except it's loads more powerful Had it been the PS4 or XB1 it would simply be another 7th gen model. So for 9th gen Wii UU can become a PS4/XB1 with hardware of the time, but Nintendo will have to spend a lot of money just to catch up to Sony and Microsoft's infrastructure. So even for Nintendo it doesn't make sense to make a 9th gen console.You realize Nintendo is incredibly rich and has never lost money, ever, right? They will always keep making video game consoles. Although they probably will do it anyway. The problem is compounded for Sony and Microsoft because they sell at a loss so they would have to sell an affordable powerful console that can out price low mid and high performance pcs. Its unreasonable. They have both been getting a lot of money since 2010, actually. The only reason PS4 and X1 were even made is because Nintendo pushed them into next gen with the WiiU.
At the same time, console Manfacturers can team up with Valve to benefit rather than be harmed. You deluded fuck, did you just actually say that?
Nintendo isn't a hardware manufacturer, so they could go third party/Steam exclusive while still selling branded handhelds, if that lasts. Ex-fucking-cuse me? They have an entire Engineering department dedicated to hardware you idiot, in fact all three of them do. Others manufacture, but they design the hardware. Not to mention there is no Japanese market for PC and Nintendo cares about Japan first and foremost They could also still market cheap consoles for kids.
Sony's Vita TV could usher in a new generation of microconsoles that compete with nintendo's hardware and link up to the Playstation Ecosystem. Yeah, sure it will. Seriously, who even owns a Vita?
SCE could also partner with Valve to give Steam OS access to the Playstation Ecosystem. Sony's hardware division could make a low cost pc that to sell with Steam OS support.Sony has made/published games for PC, but in regard to games their consoles make them way more money. Partnering up with Valve would only make them lose money in the end, since Valve would get a cut.
Microsoft has the least options since it is an inherent Software company. Not anymore They could either bite the bullet and make Win 9 support easy dual booting, or try to beat SteamOS but would be at a major disadvantage. They could also make a microconsole. But seeing as they will probably cut off 360 that late it would only work with XB1 and XBL. "Try to beat"? "Major disadvantage"? Microsoft has the biggest and dumbest following of fratboys that just want to play halo and gear of war. They have nothing to be afraid of with SteamOS.

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Not at all. Console games are usually cracked within week of release and they work the same. Piracy is heavily blown out of proportion anyway, it's something Publishers care about, not developers. The only thing that generates developer interest is A) The Developers actually personally care about a platform, like Valve does about Linux, but this almost never occurs anymore, or B) a platform has a large install base and thus a lot of potential costumers.

Piracy might be over blown, but it still exists at a high prevalence on PCs. From a purely monetary standpoint since developers get a cut of sales profits can be maximized by making it available on as many platforms as possible. And Piracy is Loss, so it is a concern.

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Exactly. It'll take years and years for this thing to get a decent amount of users. Linux still has this giant stigma attached to it of being "complex" and for "computer autists". People aren't going to use this until after years of time it's proven to be incredibly simple, which means it'll have a small audience which means low developer interest. Which is too bad, considering Windows 9 and 10 are probably going to be even bigger fuck ups than Windows 8 so we'll be stuck with that for a while.

They aren't advertising it as Linux, they are advertising it as SteamOS. The stigma is irrelevant. It completely depends on how user friendly the installation and ui is. Its a commercial OS so its unlikely they would advertise it as linux with steam, Rather than its own thing.

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And Piracy is Loss,

I'm never too happy about this statement. To some extent, sure, piracy is going to be costing the industry money, but I think a huge amount of the piracy is from people who wouldn't have gotten the game at all if they couldn't get it for free.

I guess there's no practical way of finding out the exact effects. Plus your point was just that piracy happens and causes some loss, so my post isn't really relevant. Carry on.

I love zed's statement. Like... a singer would not be so known around the world if it wasn't for piracy. Not like you're going to buy someone's disc just to know if you like their music. Or buy a whole discography only because of 1 or 2 songs.

Org, you're wrong about so many things, I'm not even going to bother responding to it.

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I'm never too happy about this statement. To some extent, sure, piracy is going to be costing the industry money, but I think a huge amount of the piracy is from people who wouldn't have gotten the game at all if they couldn't get it for free.

I guess there's no practical way of finding out the exact effects. Plus your point was just that piracy happens and causes some loss, so my post isn't really relevant. Carry on.

Funny that you say this. I did research for uni last year on the effects of Piracy on media as a whole. Turns out that sales are not at all impacted by piracy. The only thing that impacts sales is consumer negligence.

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I love zed's statement. Like... a singer would not be so known around the world if it wasn't for piracy. Not like you're going to buy someone's disc just to know if you like their music. Or buy a whole discography only because of 1 or 2 songs.

I hate it when people say this as well. It's not even measurable in any way, how would you know that?

You can't really prove its wrong, nor can I prove its right because its prediction. However, my argument is sound, valid, and rational. Unless you can show me how it is unreasonable, I doubt the validity of your premise.
But if you can show me how I am wrong, please indulge me. I only benefit from my argument being torn to shreds, but what you have provided to counter my points are insufficient to counteract it. Statements about how much money is being made now or the current state of the market is as valid as using information from 2003 to show how we got to 2013.

What in the hell?
This is way more content than I was expecting out of the chat thread.

Thanks for putting on a show, guys.

Tis a shame you missed the part that Hewitt edited out. Glad you were entertained though.