My main point: quality (writers) over quantity (animators).
You don't understand. There
are tons of skilled animators here and anywhere. They're all just being a bunch of sleeping dragons. It's true because if you open your eyes you can find them: the GTL competitors, the BSE competitors, NEMESIS's clan collaborators. They exist. They have just as much if not more quantity than actual writers, which isn't even the issue here. The number of Writers has nothing to do with this argument. Writers are on a completely different if not irrelevant league in this place. Why do you keep bringing that up.
Reiterating, the problem
isn't that there are so few animators who give a damn or are good. The problem is that they exist and they quietly
whine about nothing happening when their own collective ennui is driving them to do nothing! So when I stepped forward to allow them to do something, thats when they shut up for real. It's bullshit.
Sadly as Jombo implies, around here and perhaps the Stick Animation Community in general, all you need to do is get one or two well-done shorts or tests up and you're immediately immortalized as some kind of intermediate schmuck. If you make a full-length, that's pretty much the equivalent of retiring to an island and being "good forever" around here. I'm generalizing of course; Terk and oxob have always delivered and tried to deliver despite all they've already done. But everyone else sees these guys and think if they can just churn out
something, it is an instant road to success.
Dude, I know. I've been around since there was a Pivot, Flash AND Easytoon section. Back when they where popular too.
I'm saying that pivot animators seem to be different in motivation. For me animating in stick pivot was an escape.
I don't think the motivation is correlated to the program, although there will be generalizations now because of things like RHG. I'm sure there are at least some rare gems who came here to animate in Flash
not for RHGs like say GildedGuy. Conversely, to disprove your second statement there is as of current a growing trend of RHG Pivoteers like ugh---Rokon, who I'm assuming wants to bask in the similar glories of RHG but do not have the conviction or means to acquire Flash. RHG has in some ways treated stick animation with a form of stigma. That all stick animation can ever be is fighting and battling and devoid of anything else.
On a sidenote, I find it funny how Rokon's had so many battles against Flash Animators and still insist to vote fairly despite the fact that the only reason why he is getting less votes all the time is that he just
sucks at easing---something people have been cnc-ing to him ALL THE DAMN TIME even when he is posting short tests and anims in the pivot section. And yet he will claim that this "bias" is because of the program, not his skill. Or lack thereof.