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Nov 4, 2014 12:08 AM #1264517
True, its just the point that knowing your enemies strategies and adapting, even before the game really starts is much better than having a definite strategy. (and using the word never in an argument is just asking for a counterpoint)
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Nov 4, 2014 1:50 AM #1264560
Wow. I wrote a thread, and DAZ came to it. Wow. Just ... wow.

Anyway, here are a few replays of my edited strat. How are they?

www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay7275002&version=2.17


www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay7275081&version=2.17

I would have won on Ice hills, but I lagged out.
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Nov 4, 2014 5:49 AM #1264657
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Wow. I wrote a thread, and DAZ came to it. Wow. Just ... wow.


Congrats daz! you're a thing now.
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Nov 4, 2014 6:16 AM #1264676
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Congrats daz! you're a thing now.


What lol. And today in SE lobby chat someone said "DAZ, to us 1900s you're like a god to us." and I was like O.o

But Triforce...started watching the first replay, and (not trying to be harsh), but here:

It's a short map (Swampsland) and you have a sword out...and you're not getting tower? That's worth 2 miners worth of income! As well as that, your opponent has no defences at all. You should be attacking and pressuring, not sitting at home.

That's why at top level play, sword/archer -> sword is a big opener, because you're playing aggressively and dealing damage.

Secondarily, miner hustle. I get what you're trying to do with this - strong economy! But the thing is, it's much more worth it to get your miners at least up to 9 on gold (second row mining) before getting hustle 90% of the time because it's cheaper and pays back faster. Mana stops you from making army and miners in the early game, therefore it should *not* be used at the beginning, at least until you have say, 8 miners minimum.

My suggestions:

Medium map (Ice, Forest, Gates, GH) - use MMS, if opponent goes spear, make more swords, if opponent gets an archer, make archers or if you're not confident in holding, get a castle archer, and if opponent has nothing at tower, make miners.

Basically, you make two miners and send a sword to get tower (because it's worth 2 miners and gives all sorts of other goodies like map control! :D) to scout/get information.

Short map (Desert, Swamp, Hallow, Castle) - use Sword/Archer -> Sword. Keep your archer slightly in front of the sword so it takes a hit. Make miners if he goes CA, make swords if he gets an archer.

Obviously play varies and as you improve, you'll change your build but following this will give you a solid macro base.

If you come see me at Team Zenith (teamzenith.com/irc is our chat), I can play some matches and help you out.
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Nov 4, 2014 11:46 PM #1264920
You don't need to not be harsh. (Arrgh, that was terribly worded). This is why you're 2K and I'm not. But what about spears? What if I had 1 on mana and the rest on gold? Would that strengthen my army enough to be worth the eco tradeoff?
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Nov 5, 2014 12:09 AM #1264932
3 swords > 1 spear. Swords also have more versatility with micro and recover HP faster in garrison.

Overall, the mana trade-off isn't worth it and excess mana can't be exchanged for anything, while excess gold can (and like I said before, 375 gold > 450 gold + 50 mana)
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Nov 5, 2014 2:02 AM #1264983
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You don't need to not be harsh. (Arrgh, that was terribly worded). This is why you're 2K and I'm not. But what about spears? What if I had 1 on mana and the rest on gold? Would that strengthen my army enough to be worth the eco tradeoff?


The thing about getting spears too early is that it kills your economy. Usually the tradeoff isn't worth it because you won't be getting out enough units to keep yourself afloat against aggression, and you'll not have enough gold while simultaneously using what little gold you do have on a spear. What I do in a normal OvO game is get on mana around 7 or 8 miners and get the spear when I'm around 3 or 4 archers. If you're playing aggressively it might come out later though.


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Some people I know like going for an archer sword start on med maps. 3 miners counters that nicely.

Spearton start hard counters double archer. Does that make spearton start a good start? No.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:33 AM #1264997
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Using suboptimal strategies at a lower rating level just because they work is going to develop bad habits. Instead, start learning the fundamentals of the optimal strategies, so that you will be better adapted to higher ranks. Your strategy doesn't work because a) you build no army in the early game and b) you get tower spawn before you have a strong hold on the tower. Good players will make archers in the early game. To counter that, you need to have archers of your own. And it's also probably a bad idea to get TS1 before at least making a spearton, because an enemy spear with archer support will have little trouble pushing back an army of only swords and archers.

EDIT: Was talking to the OP, not WMC. I realized that was unclear when I read my post.


Figured, and I was joking about the sword thing although many new players seem to do just that strat.
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Nov 5, 2014 2:54 AM #1265006
get on mana around 7 or 8 miners


That's kind of early Rain...I mean, it can be a good timing especially on short maps when a spear stream is lethal, but sometimes a better mana timing is on 9-10 instead, because that's seriously borderline and doesn't give so much room to grow.
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Nov 5, 2014 3:28 AM #1265017
OK, thanks! This should take me at least through 1300's, at which point I can bug you guys for help again.
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