The State of the Writer's Lounge: All on the Table

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Nov 26, 2014 2:33 AM #1273840
Opening up, this is mainly directed at the people who write here or post here exclusively. Lots of love for those who don't but still comment here, but I'm just trying to stir things up internally as well.

Anyway! A week ago I sent you all a PM to try to get the bottom of our lack of activity on each other's stories, and to begin I just want to say thanks for all the feedback you guys gave me. I honestly wasn't expecting as good of a turn out as I got!

Here's what we came up with:
(12/4/14 Update)
How we feel about receiving comments on our stories. (Click to Show)

How we feel about getting criticism (Click to Show)

Why we give feedback (Click to Show)

[spoiler=Why we don't give feedback]
Sadly, time is the thorn in my side that
prevents me from giving feedback or even being able to visit the forum to read most of the stories. I'd have to say that there was a very small group after the larger generation of writers that used to be here, but now most of us have moved on with our lives sadly. Most of us have college or high school to deal with and even a career to think of for our livelihood.

Another reason is that every time I think of the Writer's Lounge now, all I remember are the nostalgic battles and character stories we used to develop when we were young. I have glanced in the OL and it provides a plethora of possibilities of what to write. I guess now that I have taken the time to step back and focus on my life as a career, I've been able to see writing in a new light. (kind of like my hiatus to remember that I love writing)

I'll get back to writing eventually but just give me time to sort out my future.
I've always loved this lounge and I'll be back, promise. [/QUOTE]
Usually because someone else already com
mented it. The fun’s been draining out of my hobby like a body bleeding out in the grass (discounting colorful similes and metaphors that I proudly use in my personal life), and going along with the homework concept, if someone already did it, I usually don’t even read it. For recent examples, I have nothing but respect for Devour, Hewitt and acutelatios, and know they’re all incredible writers but I’m stuck in the mindset, as stupid as I know it is. I always like their stories, but I can’t get past it at the moment.[/QUOTE]
To be perfectly honest, because I di
dn’t read it. I’ll pretty much always comment on something I read, but if something doesn’t capture my interest fairly quickly or looks to be very long or very dry I just can’t bring myself to persevere with it. It is pretty much laziness, and I do apologize. A less common reason for me is that I don’t feel up to give the same level of critique as others have prior to mine, but only if the story in question has already been thoroughly analyzed.
[/QUOTE]
Its always been because I’ve felt that
I wasn’t good enough to give a critique, that I should leave it to the people who have been writing for a long while and know what they’re doing. Now I know this mindset sounds ridiculous, but its always haunted me. The feeling of not being good enough to help, to not be able to show a person a good way of writing.[/QUOTE]
I hate to admit it, but it’s either be
cause I’m too busy to give a proper read-through and give my own opinion, or I’m just too lazy… It’s not fair to the writer, who spent his/her precious time making something that he/she is proud of. Other than that, I don’t comment for fear of sounding too repetitive, especially when what I want to comment has been said and done, most of the time more than once. [/QUOTE]
Most of the stories in the lounge that I
haven’t given feedback on are ones that I simply haven’t read. Getting myself to sit down and read is something of a struggle for me, especially when the alternative option is sitting down to write something of my own. It’s something of an interesting dilemma when you think about it- the problem with animation is that it’s typically more enjoyable to watch an animation than to make one, but with writing, it’s usually
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Nov 26, 2014 3:06 AM #1273853
Why not add the ability to "like" a post, for those who like what they read, but don't really want to explain why? And for those who want to explain why they (don't) like it, they can post their feedback, which people can also "like" if they agree with it. It also allows for lurkers or forum passers-by to give their opinion of the text without really exposing themselves.

*Edit* Liking would be a members-only thing, of course.
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Nov 27, 2014 6:02 AM #1274390
Hey, uh, I think you misunderstand. I'm not trying to get the website to change, I'm trying to get the habits of some of its inhabitants to do so, specifically the writers. Things that'll help us come out of our shell, I suppose.
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Nov 27, 2014 10:53 AM #1274433
If I'm even half as good at hyping things up as I pretend to be then I'll get something going pretty soon bb~ :D
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Dec 4, 2014 6:26 AM #1277587
How bout ditching wrhg.

Just sayin'
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Dec 5, 2014 2:12 AM #1277995
Eh, I feel like the cons outweigh the pros in that regard. I feel like a lot of people even just lurk because they've made the jump so many times and that they have to keep posting it. Plus it's a little bit of the forum identity and encourages at least the engagement of interacting with someone else, if not just for a challenge and then experimenting with a type of character you normally wouldn't.

Retrospectively, this may have been a bad place to put this thread. I feel like the vast majority of my target audience missed it. And I really don't want to send out another mass PM for like, a year.

EDIT: Heh, FA, Mastertop, Stickpage, DeviantArt and Facebook are the only sites I've ever joined. 2 jumps feels like a hell of a lot to me.
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Dec 5, 2014 2:40 AM #1278004
Okay perhaps ditching wrhg is probably too strong a word for you fanatics. How bout, just not making everything wrhg-centric. The constriction is really imo what is bringing about this slump.

There is nowhere else to put this so its fine. You could just PM people to go here if it hasn't already been done.

And what jump "so many times". You've jumped a total of 2 times. FA to Mastertop. Mastertop to Here. Unless I'm missing something...

EDIT: Oh right DA. Forgot about that. ANd Facebook, what? Cmon. Let's be realistic. The harsh truth was that ya'll pussied out the moment FA abandoned ship, and thought only of being an exclusive set when you were playing nomads on the Internet. Stickpage has been nothing but accepting and stable. The jumping around isn't so much as a fault of this place, as the collective consciousness' mindset towards colluding and bringing in fresh blood.


On the subject of interactivity, refer to Sacred's post on writing and loving it. The lounge is not a place to show off primarily, so why are we expecting it to be. I've since given tons of places to give and receive cnc so those sites are actually more viable because they have a system in place. But if you want to create a similar system for here "to prevent unnecessary jumps" then you're main opposition is this Lounge and what it stands for.

The state and issue at hand is more of a problem of Identity. You have to ask yourselves "What IS the WL? What kind of people are in the WL?" Because it seems to expectations are not being met simply because what you expect might not be what this place is all about.
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Dec 5, 2014 9:53 PM #1278292
Who needs wRHG to make some quality WL content?
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Dec 6, 2014 2:25 AM #1278394
I don't think anyone really thinks they necessarily thinks that's the only way to get good content, it's simply an easy effective way to try to spur each other's creativity.

And maybe Hewitt, but I've known these people for years, I think there's more to it than that.

What was with that edit though? I never bashed Stickpage and I've always been upfront about my primary concern being my writer buddies. It was never about being exclusive either, it was just hanging with friends over a shared hobby. There are no enemies in this, no names, and I fail to see the issue you seem to be having with this thread. I don't want get into a big thing with you though, I can never tell when we're pissed at each other.

My only goal is getting us all comfortable.
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Dec 8, 2014 3:38 AM #1279370
Sorry I did not mean to assume. Let it be stricken from the record and stuffs.
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Dec 8, 2014 3:44 AM #1279374
Honestly, the reason I avoided SP for the longest time was because I got an IP ban on FA one day, and no explanation. I asked around, had others ask, and nobody could explain what happened. I figured it was because one of the writers there had a dislike towards me, and I wanted to avoid the hate. Since I came here, though, there hasn't been anything even related to a problem like that.

I do still wonder everyday what happened, and who asked for it....
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Dec 8, 2014 3:46 AM #1279375
Read my PM
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Dec 8, 2014 3:54 AM #1279379
Yeah, that was pretty shocking. It partially answered my question at least.
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Aug 20, 2015 4:54 PM #1397515
*Ahem*
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*Cough cough* I always hate the aftertaste when using that voice.

Anyways, I just had an idea for increasing activity in the Writer's Lounge: why not start up a CYOA thread? For the uninitiated, here's some examples, along with a description on the right. For many aspiring writers, the biggest problems are worldbuilding, character creation, and starting point. CYOAs help mitigate those by providing an easily personalize-able world, a relatively simple character sheet, and occasionally a vague idea on where and how you start. Here's something a poster wrote up using the CYOA above him.