Besides that, ArchyBeatz, thanks for providing evidence of alt abuse! We will take care of it shortly!

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Alright first off, I didn't call you a noob before the game. Second, those bottom two screenshots are 4+ months old, it was from earlier, no need to bring in things that are in the past. I understand that you can say "you suck" and "noob" for fun as it's just a game, and it only appears as a very minor flame. The reason you were banned was because you spammed those phrases multiple times. At least 7+ times you called me a noob and you said "you suck" a couple of times. On top of this, you made alts to continue flaming other players. This turns into spam as you just repeated those messages over and over again. Let's be honest here, whenever you are banned, it's never really "unjustly" because you provoke the issue in the first place. I was considering unbanning you thinking I was too harsh for an hour ban, but then you brought in the alts, which is about 3 violations which made me decide to keep your ban there.

I haven't twisted the rules to fit my agenda here in this situation, as you can see. Some of these are minor problems you have created, however they stack up as a bannable offense.

There is always the off chance that perhaps someone else made an alt that had your name in it, to which I will take responsibility for my actions for not looking into it further. But alt dodging is not the way to go, you could of consulted me via pm, Stick Page PMS, or just made the post here before violating the rules again.

Kinda suspicious you don't provide screenys of what you did as well, which clearly shows that you have something to hide in this situation. My bad for not taking screen shots of your offences, that one is on me.

I do have however a chat with a witness who agrees you were in the wrong on this situation:




If you maybe think you were misunderstood or don't know why you were banned, feel free to ask me, AsePlayer code 326.

The fact that you say you didn't call me a noob and that you weren't talking trash is an outright lie and has caused the little bit of respect I've had for you to vanish. I even remember you making fun of my "1200" classic rating. Stop the BS.

I posted those older screenshots to show that it's a pattern for you to ban others unjustly.

At no point in time did I say noob, noob, noob..... ect. That's spam. This is the second lie you have made in your post. Hence where you have no proof of me saying this. Also getting another player (whom I don't even believe was present during the incidence) to go along with your lie is not proof either. The fact that this other person only has 1 other forum post is even more suspicious, this can be one of your alts for all I know.

At no point in time was I even talking to other players let alone disrespecting them on my alt. The main reason i got on my alt was to defend myself for being unjustly banned on my other account. Once again you have no proof of this cause this never happened.

That fact that you are saying that "minor flames" and other "minor offenses" aren't enough to ban by themselves but added up they warrant a ban, only further supports my statement that you twist and alter the rules to support your own agenda. The rules say nothing about this, anywhere.

Do not sit here and act like you banned me for spam. You said nothing about spam when this incident occurred. On top of that you even said YOURSELF that you're banning me for "disrespecting authority". When I logged onto my alt all you said was that I was flaming you by calling you a noob. Nothing about spam

If I was spaming noob why didn't you ban me before our match? Why after? The only post I made after our match was "told you, you were a noob" shortly after that I received a ban.

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Besides that, ArchyBeatz, thanks for providing evidence of alt abuse! We will take care of it shortly!

A mod is banning players for reasons not on rules list on top of coming on forums and lying about what he did, and all you can say that I'm abusing my alts by signing onto them when I get banned unjustly? Maybe you're as bad as Ase.

I really hope a Mod with some kind of sense will read this and at least say something or do something about this evident problem.

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The fact that you say you didn't call me a noob and that you weren't talking trash is an outright lie and has cause the little bit of respect I've had for you to vanish. I even remember you making fun of my "1200" classic rating. Stop the BS.

I posted those older screenshots to show that it's a pattern for you to ban others unjustly.

At no point in time did I say noob, noob, noob..... ect. That's spam. This is the second lie you have made in your post. Hence where you ahve no proof of me saying this. Also getting another play (whom I don't even believe was present during the incidence) to go along with your lie is not proof either. The fact that this other person only has 1 other forum post is even more suspicious, this can be one of your alters for all I know.

At no point in time was I even talking to other players let alone disrespecting them on my alt. The main reason i got on my alt was to defend myself for being unjustly banned on my other account. Once again you have no proof of this cause this never happened.

That fact that you are saying that "minor flames" and other "minor offenses" aren't enough to ban by themselves but added up they warrant a ban, only further supports my statement that you twist and alter the rules to support your own agenda. The rules say nothing about this, anywhere.

Do not sit here and act like you banned me for spam. You said nothing about spam when this incident occurred. On top of that you even said YOURSELF that you're banning me for "disrespecting authority". When I logged onto my alt all you said was that I was flaming you by calling you a noob. Nothing about spam

If I was spaming noob why didn't you ban me before our match? Why after? The only post I made after our match was "told you, you were a noob" shortly after that I received a ban.

Aight where to begin.. Not my alt, witness was present during the situation. I don't see the screenshots saying I called you a noob, etc. I may not have screenshots, but I have a real, live witness who saw it go down. I could care less about the respect you have for me, as it is irrelevant. You did spam, as the witness said. I would say I lost some respect with the response, but it is just useless words that don't matter. If you believe the witness here is my alt, you may talk to him via PM on his account, if you want his code, just let me know. One of your alts said something along the lines of "I can beat all of you noobs" ; it had 1200 rating both ways, which basically solidifies it was a alt. If this was not your alt, I apologize for the ban that resulted after it.

I am not expected to screenshot what the player does every time I ban them, so how could I possibly have known I was going to require screenshots for this useless argument whereas the accuser is in the wrong already?

Do note, however, that a warning is not a requirement, but a luxury. Saying this will probably fuel you to continue about how I abuse power etc, but it is true, quite frankly. There is no rule saying you MUST at all times warn someone for what they are doing. You know what you are doing, and you knew it was wrong. This situation could refer to someone having to tell a grown adult not to touch a cactus because it will hurt. You aren't dumb, you knew what you were doing.

I was giving you a final chance after the match to stop the flaming/spamming; but right after the match there you go again saying "See AsePlayer? You are a noob". I really tried to not ban you, but you spammed 1 too many times. Saying minor offenses could stack up being a twist of agenda is not true. Let's say you get a question wrong on a test about math, then another about english. The overall score will still reflect your failure to answer correctly in both parts. In short, things add up.

In case you didn't know, there is a nifty "other" reason that can be used to categorize the situation. You can't say that anything you do is completely not on the reasons, as that is there for special situations.

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A mod is banning players for reasons not on rules list on top of coming on forums and lying about what he did, and all you can say that I'm abusing my alts by signing onto them when I get banned unjustly? Maybe you're as bad as Ase.

I really hope a Mod with some kind of sense will read this and at least say something or do something about this evident problem.

As answer above, you were banned for a reason, if not multiple. I did not lie about what I said, as why would I? I would gladly take a demotion if everyone thought it was necessary, as long as everyone agrees it is required. I would not lie about situations here and if you ever think I would lie, the more screenshots the merrier I guess.

Azxc and I aren't amazing friends, but we get along. Keep in mind it's everyone's job to come in with an unbiased point of view to the situation. Azxc simply evaluated the evidence, what we both said, and deemed you even broke a rule regardless of this whole situation. Azxc is probably aware that you were in fact banned for a reason so he decided not to comment on it. Either that, or he doesn't want to get tangled in the situation which I don't blame him for.

Regardless, using a player as a measure of how "bad" something is... that is completely childish and uncalled for. It just shows what kind of person you are and what your stubbornness aims to achieve. You need to hope no further that a mod with some kind of sense reads this, as Azxc has already read this.

In my opinion, Azxc is one of the most trustworthy, unbiased, and fair mod you are going to encounter throughout this argument. But so is every other mod. If you want to try dragging out other mods to try and get a different outcome, by all means go ahead.

It is your choice, we can continue this display that is unnecessary, we can talk about it via SE pms, forum pms, email, and you are allowed to take as many screenshots as your deem fit.

AsePlayer, code 326 ; aseplayer@hotmail.com

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Aight where to begin.. Not my alt, witness was present during the situation. I don't see the screenshots saying I called you a noob, etc. I may not have screenshots, but I have a real, live witness who saw it go down. I could care less about the respect you have for me, as it is irrelevant. You did spam, as the witness said. I would say I lost some respect with the response, but it is just useless words that don't matter. If you believe the witness here is my alt, you may talk to him via PM on his account, if you want his code, just let me know. One of your alts said something along the lines of "I can beat all of you noobs" ; it had 1200 rating both ways, which basically solidifies it was a alt. If this was not your alt, I apologize for the ban that resulted after it.

Both my account are on Deathmatch top 100 (look if you must) therefore my rating is not 1200 both ways and CONCLUDES that the ban was UNJUST as just mentioned many times earlier. I feel that simply apologizing for unjust ban doesn't cut it since you have had a problem with this in the past. I would like to see some other type of action take place for your inability to moderate the in game chat.

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I was giving you a final chance after the match to stop the flaming/spamming; but right after the match there you go again saying "See AsePlayer? You are a noob". I really tried to not ban you, but you spammed 1 too many times. Saying minor offenses could stack up being a twist of agenda is not true. Let's say you get a question wrong on a test about math, then another about english. The overall score will still reflect your failure to answer correctly in both parts. In short, things add up.

In case you didn't know, there is a nifty "other" reason that can be used to categorize the situation. You can't say that anything you do is completely not on the reasons, as that is there for special situations.

Saying "See AsePlayer? You are a noob" right after I beat you definitely doesn't fall under flaming. So then you say that I said it enough times for it to be spam (which is a lie) but have no proof of this so lastly you say the reason you banned me was for "Other"????

Get your story straight bro. Did you ban me because I was flaming? Spamming? "Other"? Or did you just ban me because you were talking trash to me and I beat you and when I called you out on it you got mad and decided to ban me? Next you started twisting the rules to fit your agenda for banning people.

Just cause someone says something you don't like doesn't mean it's flaming. Just cause someone says it more than once doesn't mean it's spamming. And just cause you can't find any other reason to ban them doesn't mean it falls in the "other" category.

I seriously hope other mods look into this incident. You already admitted to banning me unjustly.

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Both my account are on Deathmatch top 100 (look if you must) therefore my rating is not 1200 both ways and CONCLUDES that the ban was UNJUST as just mentioned many times earlier. I feel that simply apologizing for unjust ban doesn't cut it since you have had a problem with this in the past. I would like to see some other type of action take place for your inability to moderate the in game chat.



Saying "See AsePlayer? You are a noob" right after I beat you definitely doesn't fall under flaming. So then you say that I said it enough times for it to be spam (which is a lie) but have no proof of this so lastly you say the reason you banned me was for "Other"????

Get your story straight bro. Did you ban me because I was flaming? Spamming? "Other"? Or did you just ban me because you were talking trash to me and I beat you and when I called you out on it you got mad and decided to ban me? Next you started twisting the rules to fit your agenda for banning people.

Just cause someone says something you don't like doesn't mean it's flaming. Just cause someone says it more than once doesn't mean it's spamming. And just cause you can't find any other reason to ban them doesn't mean it falls in the "other" category.

I seriously hope other mods look into this incident. You already admitted to banning me unjustly.

You seem to have misunderstood. I am saying that I banned an account for a year that had a similar name to you but wasn't actually in fact you. This has nothing to do with you using an alt with a different 2k+ dm account. I did not ban you unjustly, I was apologizing for banning the 1200/1200 alt for a year if it happened to be yours, which clearly now it isn't. You were banned for flaming and spamming. Antagonizing a person and calling them a noob 7 times and after a game continuing to call them a noob is flaming, directly attacking a player. You were repeating the same insult the whole time so it is also spamming. Once again, you misread me, you were banned for spam,flaming and alt dodge (with your 2000+ DM rating alt, not the 1200/1200 one, both were banned). Your ban is already up, why do you even bother with this useless conversation?

Edit: Plus you already said you used an alt in the situation, my misplay of words was an accident, but you were banned for the high dm rating alt, not the 1200/1200.

YEAH! DOWN WITH DICTACTORISM!

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You seem to have misunderstood. I am saying that I banned an account for a year that had a similar name to you but wasn't actually in fact you. This has nothing to do with you using an alt with a different 2k+ dm account. I did not ban you unjustly, I was apologizing for banning the 1200/1200 alt for a year if it happened to be yours, which clearly now it isn't. You were banned for flaming and spamming. Antagonizing a person and calling them a noob 7 times and after a game continuing to call them a noob is flaming, directly attacking a player. You were repeating the same insult the whole time so it is also spamming. Once again, you misread me, you were banned for spam,flaming and alt dodge (with your 2000+ DM rating alt, not the 1200/1200 one, both were banned). Your ban is already up, why do you even bother with this useless conversation?

Edit: Plus you already said you used an alt in the situation, my misplay of words was an accident, but you were banned for the high dm rating alt, not the 1200/1200.

So let me get this straight you banned a random account for a year just because you thought it was me?

What is this players that I supposedly called a noob 7 times? Why wasn't I banned when I supposedly called this person a noob the first 7 times? And how come I received a ban after I called you a noob ONE time after I beat you?

Calling someone a noob is not flaming, I don't care how many times I say it. If you still say it is ban every person who says noob in the chat. They deserve the same treatment I got. Second you are lying about the number of times I said it. I never said noob, noob, noob, noob, noob, noob, noob.

I bother because you are changing the rules and not following the same rules that the chatters follow. Mods like you ruin the chat.

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Pineapple reborn.

Archy was before Pineapple, and I'd like a distinction between them, please.

Onto my thoughts:
Archy has always been a bit more of an abrasive player, and likes to trashtalk. Trashtalk is fine if this is on a base of mutual respect.
Ase is a moderator who's gotten a fair few complaints in the past months over abusing power and misconduct. However, would still intend to properly moderate in the right situations.

I personally believe between archy's more aggressive approach and ase's moderating history, the trashtalk with these "friendlies" didn't have much respect for each other there (and it clearly is shown in this thread as both directly state this), which delves into this. I think archy was too confrontational about this but i don't feel like ase handled the situation well at all.

However, I can't make a clear claim without access to proper context of what exactly occured. Keep sharp. Less drama. Peace.

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Archy was before Pineapple, and I'd like a distinction between them, please.

Onto my thoughts:
Archy has always been a bit more of an abrasive player, and likes to trashtalk. Trashtalk is fine if this is on a base of mutual respect.
Ase is a moderator who's gotten a fair few complaints in the past months over abusing power and misconduct. However, would still intend to properly moderate in the right situations.

I personally believe between archy's more aggressive approach and ase's moderating history, the trashtalk with these "friendlies" didn't have much respect for each other there (and it clearly is shown in this thread as both directly state this), which delves into this. I think archy was too confrontational about this but i don't feel like ase handled the situation well at all.

However, I can't make a clear claim without access to proper context of what exactly occured. Keep sharp. Less drama. Peace.

I don't have much to comment

but seriously I strongly disagree with your "trashtalk" opinion

I know Ase for quite a while, I may not say he is the best mod, but at least he was the one who was really active enough and did his most important job (control spamming)
this is already much better than those mods who don't even care SE, and not even active for months.

In my experience, Archy has the history of bad behaviors in SE for a long time(by calling others noobs/idiots around no matter he won or lose), and insulted others in global chat box with many alt accounts.

If you are insulting others in friendlies (you are sure he is your friend), that should be fine, like I always insult azxc and he did the same in return just for fun in non ranked matches.

but clearly archy insulted everyone he met in ranked matches with his alts, including me and Ase, and we are clearly not his friends. This is basically just rude and polluting the whole community.

seriously, insulting others for fun is a childish mistake and he deserves the ban. I even think he should get all his alts banned instead of just one account

Put in a spoiler please. Take an hour to scroll, two to read.

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So let me get this straight you banned a random account for a year just because you thought it was me?

What is this players that I supposedly called a noob 7 times? Why wasn't I banned when I supposedly called this person a noob the first 7 times? And how come I received a ban after I called you a noob ONE time after I beat you?

Calling someone a noob is not flaming, I don't care how many times I say it. If you still say it is ban every person who says noob in the chat. They deserve the same treatment I got. Second you are lying about the number of times I said it. I never said noob, noob, noob, noob, noob, noob, noob.

I bother because you are changing the rules and not following the same rules that the chatters follow. Mods like you ruin the chat.

The situation was it was similar to your account and it was continuing with the flaming spam at 1200/1200. I was saying if it was actually an account you planned to use, I will unban it, but it seems to not even be your account here, so just disregard what I said about it.

I didn't ban you when you spammed noob 7 times because I was giving you one last chance, but you continued it after the match which made my decision.

Calling one particular person anything is basically flaming. You are directly attacking a player. You may want to care about the number of times you say it, because it would change from flaming to spamming.

I haven't changed the rules in this situation at all. Mods can only improve the chat, not ruin it. It looks like not many mods are siding with you, so perhaps we just drop this conversation. Once again, feel free to pm me or contact me via email.

AsePlayer code 326 aseplayer@hotmail.com

If any accounts of yours have been banned for a year then that's most likely because you were banned for way less time on another account and alted over, trying to dodge the ban. Dodging bans is not allowed and so we give them max penalty, because if you're just changing account then you're not adhering to the ban.

If you're going to flame someone make damn sure they will receive it well and you know them, just because SE is competitive does not mean that sanctions flaming random people you don't know.

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If any accounts of yours have been banned for a year then that's most likely because you were banned for way less time on another account and alted over, trying to dodge the ban. Dodging bans is not allowed and so we give them max penalty, because if you're just changing account then you're not adhering to the ban.

If you're going to flame someone make damn sure they will receive it well and you know them, just because SE is competitive does not mean that sanctions flaming random people you don't know.

None of my account were banned for a year. But some random player has a year ban on their account just for having a name similar to mine.

Second, if the mods are siding with Aseplayer , that's fine. Every time someone says "noob" or directly attacks a player there should be bans handed out.

I will be exposing those who violate this rule and will expect mods to punish them accordingly just like I was punished.

I would like to start off by say that Alternatemark6 should receive a ban for flaming me.

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None of my account were banned for a year. But some random player has a year ban on their account just for having a name similar to mine.

Second, if the mods are siding with Aseplayer , that's fine. Every time someone says "noob" or directly attacks a player there should be bans handed out.

I will be exposing those who violate this rule and will expect mods to punish them accordingly just like I was punished.

I would like to start off by say that Alternatemark6 should receive a ban for flaming me.

Some random player with a 1200/1200 is banned for a year, most likely an alt.

We cannot possibly track down the players you want banned as we need direct access to their profile, which we cannot access if we were not there in the situation. If you are being harassed and happen to have the user's code, do not hesitate to let me know and I will take care of it.

Do remember, you were also banned for spam, so as long as the player spams noob 10 times, you have my green light to showcase it to us.

Have a great day,

-Ase.