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Dec 2, 2014 7:04 PM #1276847
Make yourselves useful, faggots.


1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.

Answer each question with one of the following prompts.

Strongly Agree --- Agree --- Neither Agree nor Disagree --- Disagree --- Strongly Disagree

If possible, post a quick summary of your race, and economic class.
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Dec 2, 2014 7:09 PM #1276849
1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own=>neither agree nor disagree
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.=>agree*
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.=>agree
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.=>agree
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.=>neither agree nor disagree*

*I live far far away from america so I answered from my country standards. Dunno if this is valid or not.
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Dec 2, 2014 7:11 PM #1276852
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1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own
that's a generalization, there definitely are poor people who are poor due to circumstances but some people are simply complacent.
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
Absolutely, strongly agree.
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Subjective statement, but I personally believe that you can drive yourself to accomplish the things you like. That said many poor people will never rank among this countries elite, no matter how hard they work. The idea of the american dream and working hard to fulfill it is a social construct created by the wealthy to produce obedient workers. But it depends on what your definition of success is, so that's an open topic.
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Neither agree nor disagree.
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
The success part is subjective again, but I don't really know how to respond to this. In terms of decreasing the monetary gap between the poor and the sickeningly wealthy, agreed.
Answer each question with one of the following prompts.

Strongly Agree --- Agree --- Neither Agree nor Disagree --- Disagree --- Strongly Disagree

If possible, post a quick summary of your race, and economic class.

White, mostly celtic.
Poor/low class almost my whole life.
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Dec 2, 2014 10:42 PM #1276926
1. Poor people are poor through not real fault of their own
Neither agree nor disagree.
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.|
Strongly agree!
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Agree People will usually find a way, bad or not.
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Strongly Agree. I myself learn better when self-taught. (Too lazy to teach myself though lol)
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
Agree.

I am Asian/White
Middle class.
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Dec 2, 2014 10:55 PM #1276930
1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own
-Usually false. Most poor people are born into poverty and it is hard to get out of that situation. ::Strongly Agree
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
-Strongly Agree
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
-Success is subjective and just as well someone probably could be successful almost independent of their circumstances, but who knows what they'd have to damage to get to that point depending on what their personal ideas of success are. Neither Agree nor Disagree
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
-Disagree, change must come from within. But I guess it is possible.
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
-Strongly Agree.

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Dec 2, 2014 11:13 PM #1276934
1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own: Neither Agree nor Disagree Although some people are born into poverty and unable to escape, some just make no effort to.
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections: Strongly Agree It's no secret that even if your'e not talented, knowing the right people can bring success (see: George Bush)
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can: Disagree Wanting to succeed is never enough. You need talent and/or connections.
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously: Strongly Disagree This is a biased opinion but just judging from my experiences with people who read such books, they seem to be utterly useless.
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed: Neither Agree nor Disagree This one is tricky because success is subjective and what rules would be in question?

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Dec 3, 2014 12:07 AM #1276952
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4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously: Strongly Disagree This is a biased opinion but just judging from my experiences with people who read such books, they seem to be utterly useless.

Woah woah, hold the phone.

Now, I'm not the biggest fan of reading myself, I've only completed a handful of books personally.
But when I became interested in increasing my physical fitness and picked up the book convict conditioning it taught me just about everything I needed to know to form a solid basis of calisthenics that I highly doubt I could've reached without access to that knowledge.

Utterly useless, I think not.
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Dec 3, 2014 1:07 AM #1276987
1. Poor people are poor through not real fault of their own
Neither agree or disagree: As it has been said its dependent on the individual, for some it was by their own life choices and such, but other times it can boil down to bad luck. At least that's my view on the topic.

2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
Agree: While it must be a thing that happens, I'm not entirely sure that it happens a tremendous amount. I feel there's enough sense in the world to make success not just based off of connections.

3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Strongly agree: I feel there's nothing people are innately destined to fail at, only that they wouldn't care to do better with the aforementioned "thing". While inborn talent is still a thing, I don't believe an "anti-talent" exists and thus, you can always succeed at what you want to, if you want to.

4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Agree: While maybe not these specific examples, I have learned many small talents and tricks from watching youtube tutorials and the like.

5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
Agree: While I feel many things should change, I wouldn't exactly say rules. But still new ideas and programs can be involved so that American's have more of a chance to succeed, but also demonstrate that success doesn't have to be strictly "Get a good job and make money" but it can be whatever makes you happy.

Also I'm white, and middle-lower class.
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Dec 3, 2014 1:40 AM #1277004
1. Poor people are poor through not real fault of their own
Agree
I think the culture around people forms who they are, at least to a degree. If you're starting out at the bottom of the barrel chances are you're going to pick up on a few things in that lifestyle. Additionally, it puts you strongly at odds against networking to get to know people who could help pull you out of the gutter. Learned helplessness also plays into affect here. This is assuming people who start out poor. I think you can make progress towards lower-class, but I really think a climb would take more than one generation.

2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
Strongly Agree
I was unanimously the "Motherfucking Man" at McDonald's, and while I got that job on my own, that was never going to take me anywhere. Similarly, I got my internship at Specs Howard on my own, but the person who actually got me my current job was a classmate, and I'd never even heard of the place until after she offered. I wouldn't say I'm successful, but I'm making strides towards moving out and then hopefully up, and I sincerely doubt I'm the only one who got a job from someone else.

3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Disagree
Whether we like it or not there are things we're good and bad at. If your dream is something your bad at, or something you biologically are unable to do, then I'm sorry, but you may not succeed at that and might need to pick a new dream/goal.

4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Strongly Agree
The placebo effect is all I have to say.

5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
Disagree
I think if the rules suddenly change things will fall into ruin. If it starts with maybe a thing or two it'd have a chance, but not like that. The best way would be if we all just looked out for each other, but unfortunately rich people get rich by saving money so they'd be less inclined to spend it on their employees, regardless how badly they're busting their asses. I think it's mainly that mindset that needs to change. If people who worked hard were paid their worth they'd have more money which would go back into the economy and stimulate more jobs and all together improve things. The issue is that sides fight when they need to stand together.

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Dec 3, 2014 2:00 AM #1277019
Quote from Captain Cook
Make yourselves useful, faggots.


1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own
Neither agree or disagree
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
Strongly Agree
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Agree
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Neither agree or disagree
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
Agree

If possible, post a quick summary of your race, and economic class.
Asian (heavily exposed to American culture, but grew up in Japan and Korea), Upper class

Ehh, some of these questions I don't exactly resonate with.
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Dec 3, 2014 2:09 AM #1277027
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Woah woah, hold the phone.

Now, I'm not the biggest fan of reading myself, I've only completed a handful of books personally.
But when I became interested in increasing my physical fitness and picked up the book convict conditioning it taught me just about everything I needed to know to form a solid basis of calisthenics that I highly doubt I could've reached without access to that knowledge.

Utterly useless, I think not.


Well that's why I stated that my opinion was biased. I'm only basing this on my own experiences and observations of the people around me. I wouldn't know of them being useful to others which is why I gave the response I did. If these self-help books worked for you as well as you claim, that means one of two things:
1. There are a decent amount of people out there that benefit from reading these books but I have never observed/known of.
2. The amount of people who benefit from reading such books is too low for me to observe/know of it.
Either way it comes down to my limited experiences and observations (which is why I added the words "seem" and "judging from my experiences"). I can't speak for everyone and I didn't mean any offense.
In the end my opinion doesn't matter anyway and it will always be inherently flawed.
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Dec 3, 2014 3:07 AM #1277069
Well I told you, so now you know, they're useful.

No need to tell you twice.

They're definitely far from "utterly useless".
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Dec 3, 2014 9:49 AM #1277200
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1. Poor people are poor though not real fault of their own

Disagree.

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2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.

Disagree.

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3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.

Agree.

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4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.

Agree.

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5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed

Disagree.

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Dec 3, 2014 9:55 AM #1277203
1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own -Agree
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections. -Strongly Agree
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can. -Agree
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously. -Neutral
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed. -Neutral

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Dec 3, 2014 11:15 AM #1277228
1. Poor people are pool through not real fault of their own
Agree
2. There are plenty of people in America who succeed mainly because of connections.
Agree
3. If people want to succeed badly enough, they usually can.
Agree
4. Self-help books and TV programs often work if a person takes them seriously.
Agree
5. It would be a good idea to change a lot of rules in society so that more Americans could have a chance to succeed.
Neither agree nor disagree

If possible, post a quick summary of your race, and economic class.

Is this solely for Americans? I mean, I just consider the internet to be basically America so I based my answers off of the opinions of people I read through the internet. I'm in the Philippines, lower middle class. Like, almost working class.


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