wheres is that video of rain playing against wyz using ele

Probably 10 pages buried in the stick empires chat thread.

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Wyz uploaded a very good game against Rain where he held the advantage for a really long time but couldn't end the game. It got to the 8 or something min mark, mages came out and he lost despite being the 'winning' player for most of the match because ele have no late game potential.

If your idea of balance is that ele's power spike in the mid game should always allow you to cripple or destroy the opponent then I have serious concerns. - That should always be down to skill, not empire.

I'm just saying that elemental is strongest mid-game, but of course it's always down to skill. If you have infernos, you can still break a turtle. I'm not going into more detail though.

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Probably 10 pages buried in the stick empires chat thread.

Nothing much. It's easier to find then a certain other thread.

Or you can check his wall, same thing.

Okay well this is a good example of CvE not working with charrog+fire against wing mass
http://www.stickempires.com/?replay=replay7817336&version=2.22

Didn't realize you replied. Anyways, I've repeated this countless times, use the earth start, not fire or air. Solid replay but I'll point out a few things, he neglected to combine into cycloids until there were already too many wings, he instead tried to use fires to kill wings which isn't as effective as using cycloids to stun and then fires to kill. I can point out more flaws but I think you get my point. I know this strategy isn't the best one, you can still lose if the chaos player knows what he's doing.

Here's another replay: www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay7824314&version=2.22

Woah, hang on, earlier you said fires and charrogs alone can cope with wings while you get that core build ready before buying cycloids.

In that replay igorra threw away any lead they had by attacking and failing to pressure your miners. Crawler spam alone can beat earth spam in a fight, he was disadvantaging himself to avoid trades (and he would have been able to heal from them too).

And now you're saying this strategy too can lose by default on a good Chaos player? Are you still going to carry on saying ele doesn't need rebalance?

Well the main thing is he did fire start and didn't have the eco to build fast enough. But anyways you know every replay you and I share has so many different things we can discuss forever. I'll just have to prove my point by beating good chaos players.

And I'll have to prove my point by you being honest enough to share the replays when you lose using this strat

I haven't lost using this strat in ranked yet. I will post my losses in the replay thread.