Anyone who cheats in games is literally Hitler

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Also this is just sad. Cheating is one thing. But cheating FnaF? Fucking really dude? Why? You spent money on a game (I'm assuming) just to press a button and beat it? Shit man I'm gonna start charging 20 bucks for people to push a button. I'll even PAINT the thing!

I never said he should cheat to win. I said he could cheat to train himself. That was his original question.

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What satisfaction or reward are you really going to get out of playing Five Nights at Freddy's until you beat it? You've played it, suffered a little jumpscare or two, but playing past that is kind of pointless, because that's all the game is, nothing else to it.

Oh I don't know, maybe he wants to see the ending. Maybe he just bought it because everyone is playing it even though he sucks terribly at it. Maybe he wants to see how the mythos ties in with the first game. Maybe he just wants to see who the new enemies are without having to sit around and watch the LPs. Maybe LPs in general cheapen his experience and so he plays it even though he knows he will never beat it in a long time enough to appreciate it. Maybe he wants to just be in the know, without having to suffer through the scares. It's the equivalent of skipping through a horror movie just to get its gist so you don't feel left out when everyone in school talks about it the next day. Sure, you might've missed the scariest part, but now you actually have some insider knowledge that you can bullshit about and you don't feel like an idiot for not knowing.

Anyways, my point is. Not everyone who buys a game, however cheap it may be, will buy it for the sake of "beating it". Sometimes, they'll just appreciate the game for other factors that appeal to you but no one else. Sometimes, just having it but never playing it is a boon if you're a collector for these sorts of things. You can't just be presumptuous to say what satisfaction fnaf offers unless you're the one playing it.

Quote from Everyone]Cheating is bad. You should play the game right.[/quote]

Wow, you guys are taking this moral high ground way too seriously.

In the first place, cheating fnaf offers no competitive advantage unless you're pewdiepie (OH SNAP) or some other lesser-known LP-er. The ability to modify game code and exploit it is for his personal preference and what he chooses to do with it is his prerogative. But he sure as hell isn't going to hell if he tells himself that he 'beat' fnaf by skipping over the rounds in a single second. I know the video offers a way to bypass all the rounds, but I'm pretty sure he can just as modify it to do other things like bypass specific scare subroutines and such or having infinite battery power (but allowing the scares to happen). And there's nothing wrong with that.

I used a Binding of Isaac trainer for awhile just to see all the items and characters that I have no patience unlocking. Was it worth my money? Yes. Do I claim to have beat this game and fully mastered it? No. Has it helped me get used to how the game is played and do better at it? Yes. Knowing ahead of time which items to pick up and how to aim my tears properly was all thanks to a little bit of cheating---which could have alternatively been done by playing it over and over and over and using the wiki to cross-reference what you've done. Two paths leading to the same conclusion. I just did it in a more efficient manner that sure, was not in the original developer's vision, but it's not like I look at Art in the same way that the artist intends either. And I'm sorry if I just don't have the patience and time like the rest of the world. But I enjoy Isaac for other things and not because "I can beat it."

Now if it was an MMO or a multiplayer game where the cheating is blatantly used to gain an advantage over certain people, or if the cheating is used to brag a false pride, then yes. That IS a dick move. But my offering a suggestion to "master" fnaf is just as legit as practicing to dodge and weave these mechanical miscreants.

Get over it.

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As for training, people will laugh at me.

Lol. You think Markiplier just suddenly mastered fnaf 1 and 2 after a single 3-part playthrough video? He as well as everyone who has ever played it probably played it a bajillion times before recording the LP that mattered. You see the illusion behind these Horror LPs is that being scared, sells. That's why users recommend the games to you. That's why you "have" to play them that way. The biggest example is pewdiepie who is very bad at blatantly doing this. I mean when you watch him it's obvious that he's not really scared. His overreactions are easily telegraphed by the fact that he cheats and he has been known to give up when things get too hard.

Now I'm not saying that every LP-er ever has done this, least of all Markiplier. But you have to realize that sometimes he could just be playing fnaf for himself and for fun, and not just for his fans. He has a life too and how he chooses to moderate that is his prerogative. You'll see him casually mention "last time I played this x happened", referencing an offscreen event that we can only imagine he did it once just so his "fresh" scare state is all we care about. But the fact is that he's probably played it a dozen times prior to recording. And hey, maybe he does some fine editing as well we'll never know.

And as for the part where people laugh at you, really. Who cares. Then don't cheat when anyone's looking. I mean, if you really really wanted to beat this game, you'd do anything to practice for it. And since the only reason you want to beat this it seems is to brag, then you're not by default just going to cheat in public for attention. So you just have to realize that there is a way to help anticipate this monsters. And you can do it better/easier if you used a cheat device.

Practice makes perfect. And if cheating (by yourself) is going to speed up the process or help you in some way, then you should totally go for it.

Pff. Easiest way to win.

Don't check the camera. Wait for 6 AM.

The game has a thing where even though the guys are outside, they don't attack you if you don't look in the camera. This includes Foxy. He won't start running if you don't hit the camera.

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Pff. Easiest way to win.

Don't check the camera. Wait for 6 AM.

The game has a thing where even though the guys are outside, they don't attack you if you don't look in the camera. This includes Foxy. He won't start running if you don't hit the camera.

Did you finish the game? Or did you even play it at all?

As for Hewitt, if you wanna hack the game just for sake for knowing the story or how the game goes, Ima just suggest you to watch Mark play the game himself instead of just paying for the game and wasting time just to figure out how to hack it. The game itself is a pure beat it or leave it game that the only goal of the game is to beat the game. If you just want pure entertainment of the game instead of just spending hours trying to beat the game, again, go watch the gameplay yourself or just waiting for Foxy or Freddy to scare the shit out of you. What's the point of beating the game when you have infinite battery and/or skipping all the jump scares? I don't know about you, but I don't just buy the game and try to beat it the easier way than it should be and feel proud about it. Btw, the game isn't even scary anymore after you play a couple of hours and you figure out how all of the mechanics work, so if you can tell me what's the other factors that this game can bring other than beating the game itself, then please tell me.

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As for Hewitt, if you wanna hack the game just for sake for knowing the story or how the game goes, Ima just suggest you to watch Mark play the game himself instead of just paying for the game and wasting time just to figure out how to hack it.

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If you just want pure entertainment of the game instead of just spending hours trying to beat the game, again, go watch the gameplay yourself or just waiting for Foxy or Freddy to scare the shit out of you.

Like I said, maybe LP's disillusion him and he just wants to face the thing in his own terms. Don't claim to know what he thinks unless the experience is your own and we are talking about your game.

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The game itself is a pure beat it or leave it game that the only goal of the game is to beat the game.

That is not for you to decide and declare. Maybe he got the game out of some form of peer pressure (which appears to be the case) and now he has no choice but to beat it in the standards that the game has allowed him to, lest he face social repercussions of manliness. Maybe he can't leave it even if he wanted to as something of an itch he just needs scratching despite the fact that he is scared shitless.

Point is, you don't get to dictate what getting fnaf is for and the only one who has a right to say so is the person who bought the game for himself.

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What's the point of beating the game when you have infinite battery and/or skipping all the jump scares?

To anticipate and learn the habits of each mechanical monster without having to deal with the psychological pressure of being fed upon. Note that I'm not saying OP is scared. But when you think you're going to get bitten, you often panic and lose yourself without counting and thinking properly. I already said that this can also be easily learned through playing it again and again but as OP has mentioned, this method doesn't seem to be working for him and so I have offered another avenue that alleviates this mental handicap.

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I don't know about you, but I don't just buy the game and try to beat it the easier way than it should be and feel proud about it.

Last I checked, I'm still me.

That is because you are in fact NOT me, so you have no right to tell me or the OP how we should feel proud about beating a game with handicaps on. Forget for a moment that he is going to do this in secret, how you decide to play fnaf and feel proud climbing over an obstacle using your balls is your prerogative. But to the rest of the world who wants to dissect the mechanics down to a science, they can feel proud having conquered it on a technical level as well---something you might feel shitty about and vice versa.

Besides, I already discussed the ethics of the issue. I don't agree if he decides to cheat for bragging and false pride. If he cheats responsibly, he can learn from his experiences without hurting anyone's feelings. Well, except yours anyway to the point that you feel like bragging your own achievements just to project an idea of how the game is supposed to be played.

Don't be a sour puss just because someone's playing it in the way that you don't like.

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Btw, the game isn't even scary anymore after you play a couple of hours and you figure out how all of the mechanics work, so if you can tell me what's the other factors that this game can bring other than beating the game itself, then please tell me.

What does this have to do with holding OP's hand to help him practice? Whatever desire/reasons he has for wanting to beat it is his issue, and no amount of arguing over the finer points of what else the game has to offer can help him stick around long enough to beat it.

I know that Im not in the position to judge how he should play his game. But I was just saying out of my experience of playing it. And Im not gonna say what you said was wrong since we have different opinions and different views on this issues, and you can't also force me to look at it your way either. I mean, if he was forced to play it, he can choose to refuse it. Why playing a game that he knows he can't handle it or knowing how to at least get idea of how to play it? No one can force him to play it, it's just a game, it's his choice to play it or not. And if he decides to play just to impress someone, then I have nothing to say about it, except for the fact that people will acknowledge his fake achievements. But hey, if that's how he chooses to live, it's his decision.

I still won't cheat., but thanks for your help, people