Reviving this. I need help vs tree start on castle. I watched a replay of the enemy going into 2 trees and a charrog with a fire and water with only 6 miners on gold and one on mana at the end.

Was it actually a tree start? If so, all you need to do is target his miners while killing the scorplings with your own miners (Since C miners can anime-cancel). Then target the tree if he garrisons. For the second scenario which is different, you just play normally.. crawlers w/ upgrades, bombs, and lots of wings. You honestly can go wrong against E with C.

3 scorps target my miners usually resulting in a free kill as miner anim canceling puts me off of gold where I'll only have 3 crawlers or so by the time he rushes them into base then he spams the earths so that even if I manage to kill his chomplers he'll end up with the same or slightly more miners at the end.
A properly microed and macroed tree start on castle.
I tried stalling out with my crawlers attacking enemy Eco. Didn't work too well. Castle dead is obviously a waste unless the tree spawns in base where I anim cancel the tree into oblivion. By the time I manage to apply the pressure I need even if I deter the tree, I end up with maybe 2-3 wings vs 2 trees harassing my Eco with scorps the charrog and possible scorch.
My sure when to go hustle on castle vs ele

In a tree start, you just need to mirror whatever his scorplings do with your crawlers. Except if he attacks your crawlers, you just attack the tree, then go back to miners etc. Seriously though, if you can't kill 3 scorplings with 4 miners + maybe 1 crawler, and can't stop his 2 chomplers from mining with 3+ crawlers, you need to seriously review what you're doing.

You could also tech into wings and work your way into his trees.

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In a tree start, you just need to mirror whatever his scorplings do with your crawlers. Except if he attacks your crawlers, you just attack the tree, then go back to miners etc. Seriously though, if you can't kill 3 scorplings with 4 miners + maybe 1 crawler, and can't stop his 2 chomplers from mining with 3+ crawlers, you need to seriously review what you're doing.

I can kill his scorps easy with miners but nontheless I end up sac a miner to do so as I can't anim cancel all 3 scorps simultaneously. If I rush to base with 4 crawlers he'll simply buy earths as he got of mana after gathering 86 mana.
Then he sniped my crawlers as they were weakened by enemy earths and scorps.
Keep in mind the map is castle zomar. I'm fully aware of ele flaws and strengths being one l the few people that know how to play it. I even tested the macro against several chaos peeps on castle recently and found they could not find a way around it. The trees are a giant health Popsicle. Even if the tree dies. I brought 3 trees to replace it and 3 fires before the opponent could even touch mana. I scorch at any point the game ends.
@hash. Derp. I know that. It still gives him the ability to target
Miners with his scorps and hide behind his trees with fires if need be.

Just ignore the tree, once you have enough crawlers the scorplings will be useless. You shouldn't be letting him make earths seen as he is defenceless. Just kill the scorplings, attack miners, keep making miners and crawlers..

Vs chaos (the user I proved to him as well how effective earths can be in protecting the base even in small numbers combined with scorps for extra dps if need be.
What you are suggesting works on anything other than castle in the macro used.
I'll post the replays when I can of him using it on me and myself adopting it.

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Vs chaos (the user I proved to him as well how effective earths can be in protecting the base even in small numbers combined with scorps for extra dps if need be.
What you are suggesting works on anything other than castle in the macro used.
I'll post the replays when I can of him using it on me and myself adopting it.

it depends on who you are facing lol

for me, the castle dead start already counters ele against 99% players LOL

So when should I tech into castle dead?
Immediately to where I give the opponent free cheese if they don't go tree?
Or when the scorps boss rush in before castle dead is available losing a miner and spending 300 on a single target defense?
I can try to see what works best vs the macro but I really did try my damnedest. By the time I could do anything to get back I had an enemy scotch possiblity, more tree set ups and a charrog for some reason.
(Talking about chaos the user, khans buddy)

CvE is all about the marrow mass. Nubz

for the crawler thing zomar, it is effective but beware of scorch..

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So when should I tech into castle dead?
Immediately to where I give the opponent free cheese if they don't go tree?
Or when the scorps boss rush in before castle dead is available losing a miner and spending 300 on a single target defense?
I can try to see what works best vs the macro but I really did try my damnedest. By the time I could do anything to get back I had an enemy scotch possiblity, more tree set ups and a charrog for some reason.
(Talking about chaos the user, khans buddy)

basically it depends on map size

if it is castle shit, I will get castle dead once I get my first 300 gold (2miners ->castle dead) no matter what start i meet
but if it is other maps, I will keep on getting miners while getting a few bomber to cheese, and only get castle dead when I meet fire start

Turret start actually works quite well

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CvE is all about the marrow mass. Nubz

Chaos is all about marrow nubz. Just mass marrow in every match then you get 3k rating

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Chaos is all about marrow nubz. Just mass marrow in every match then you get 3k rating

Can confirm

So it is my understanding in CvE you suddenly use crawler/wing mass to counter Vs.