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Feb 28, 2015 7:16 PM #1317772
So Caelo challenged me during my fight with Cassandra, and after having finished that battle I gladly took up her challenge. Due to some RL reasons my work got delayed quite a bit but nevertheless I managed to finish it (Thanks @Caelo for not complaining about due date and understanding my RL situation c: )

Bla bla, here's the battles ^^





Some quick and important notes here :

Concerning this battle in general
We have discussed and agreed upon a mutual setting for the battle, this to make sense in our current project, the O.P. collab. Consider anything that does not seem to immediately link to any of our works fore/after-shadowing of the collab ;)

One of two works shall be incorporated into the collab (to give you an idea) though in the end ErrorBlender has the final say about this, not the result of this battle.

It's also ESSENTIAL to realize that neither Kodi nor Wyvern are aware that they are allies.

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With that I wish my adversary, Caelo, most of luck and on our behalf I wish you, reader, most of fun reading our works.
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Mar 1, 2015 8:46 PM #1318368
Hey guys, I must say that was a good battle on both parts. I didn't want to stop reading once I started. Both your writing styles were so different it added real texture. However, there has to be a winner.

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Mar 2, 2015 8:23 PM #1318871
Thanks for your reaction, Ryan.
While I can't really say that your feedback towards me contained much that could help me improving-wise, it's always nice to receive a word of praise from now and then, and I'm really glad you made an attempt at CnC :).

I suppose I have a word or two for Caelo too, I'm sure she can appreciate whatever she can use to improve (well, I do at least :p).
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Mar 5, 2015 6:58 AM #1320673
Excellent work from the both of you. I've said my thoughts on which one is preferred on the collab document itself.

Anyways, detail/length struggle. And CnC time. :D

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Caelo has this for me by a smidge. Both were great. :D
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Mar 5, 2015 4:24 PM #1320880
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Excellent work from the both of you. I've said my thoughts on which one is preferred on the collab document itself.

Anyways, detail/length struggle. And CnC time. :D

Overall CNC (Click to Show)


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Caelo has this for me by a smidge. Both were great. :D


I swear, you're gonna continue voting against me even it's the last thing you do ^^. (Though at least you're the one writing CnC *looks at everyone else*) No honestly though, perhaps you feel as if I could always do better?

Whatevs, I should probably start out that Wyvern stating "Dead or alive" isn't an inconsistency, rather it's sarcasm, though it seems nobody understood this so I'm going to refrain from adding any nuances in the future....
To be fair, more length means more mistakes, and it seems as if you're taking me out on that one. If you dislike my lack of over-description realize that me doing so would exponentially increase the length (as opposed to you asking me to keep it as short as possible), as I already had to cover a large scenario for it to make sense.

What exactly do you mean by run on sentences?

Yes I meant graceful.

And : What are ellipses? I just write on feel.

So either way thanks for your CnC, more stuff for me to look out for.
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Mar 5, 2015 5:43 PM #1320901
Lemme answer a few. :)

What exactly do you mean by run on sentences?

Basically run-on sentences are sentences that have two independent ideas that can work as their own sentences. You have a few.

And : What are ellipses? I just write on feel.

Ellipses are these : ...

Also, I'm not taking you out for the length. I've chosen Cassandra's over yours despite her length [I believed she had the longer one] since she described only a bit better than yours. Additionally, I never said I liked over-description and applauded both of you for the great work with how you described already. Yes, I dislike overly lengthy stuff [hypocritical of me since I write a bit long myself] but as long as it comes along, keeps the reader stuck on his seat, it ain't a problem. I placed the 'length/detail' struggle bit on the first part since I will always use it as a reference. Also the 'mighty long prologue' was meant to be a compliment as it did its job but could've been shorter as I believe.

I swear, you're gonna continue voting against me even it's the last thing you do ^^. (Though at least you're the one writing CnC *looks at everyone else*)

It may seem that way but its just coincidence. Additionally, with Caelo, I see little to improve on and so I leave the rest for others to nitpick on and I notice some mistakes from you so I point them out; it doesn't mean I'm out to get you or anything but it comes with asking CnC.

No honestly though, perhaps you feel as if I could always do better?

I will always push you guys to do better. I'm your leader, my job is bring out the better in you.
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Mar 5, 2015 9:54 PM #1320956
Links. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

But anyway!

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EDIT: So I'm a liar. Free time got throat-punched today without warning, but I'll at least vote on the poll before it ends. If I somehow forget to CnC after a few days, feel free to harass me
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Mar 8, 2015 12:39 AM #1322395
And so, yet another exciting battle is concluded.

Thank you all for taking the time to read our works, I hope you had fun, and special thanks to Ryan, Blender and Crank for making the effort to post CnC (I'm trusting Crank will still go ahead and make some for me ^^)

A great debut for Kodi and Caelo, and may they perform even better in the future :)
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Mar 9, 2015 11:43 PM #1323436
This is sooooo overdue.

Anyway!

Vern:

[spoiler=]Alright, so opening up, great intro! I see Error already mentioned it, but characterization to me is my favorite part of the story. What makes people tick, why they're there and everything linking together. You did all that in the intro which I thought was great, but I can understand how it could be perceived as long. I don't exactly have advice for that because again, that was where I liked it and the line of who likes what is a tricky thread to tread.

But on to actual advice!

Have you heard the saying "If it bleeds, it dies" before? It's overused so it's no something I'd recommend, but the concept of it is that even a beast seems immortal, with that first drop you see that it isn't, and in turn that it can be killed before it kills you. If I watched more horror movies I'd have a better example, but it'd be like stabbing Jason in the shoulder. As soon as you see that red, whatever you're fighting isn't invincible anymore and you get a rush of moral.

Vern opened the fight catching an arrow with his bare hands and then proceeded to dodge several more. To me, the one that grazes the back of his leg is a "It bleeds, it dies" moment, even though he's the protagonist here. Additionally, even though you touched on the results of the shot soon afterward, I want to feel, and feel that your reader should feel the first shot. It sets the pace for how intense the fight's about to be, and when you skip over that it feels like "John staggered after he got punched in the face." Staggering is good and all, but I really want to see him get punched in the face.

In his attempt to elude the arrows the warrior had tumbled over a loose piece of cardboard idling around in the alleyways, allowing one of the huntress’s arrows to pass through the flesh surrounding the back of his leg with ease.

In his attempt to elude the arrows the warrior had tumbled over a loose piece of cardboard idling around in the alleyways, and as his hands scraped against pavement he rolled on, steal glinted in the moonlight. Soaring true, the razor-edge of the projectile sliced the back of his calf, arrowhead turning red as a trail of crimson droplets followed it's trajectory before striking the ally like an isolated rain.

Like Error, I felt like there was something... off, with the dot-dot-dots (they will always be dot-dot-dots in my book). Predominantly, at least as far as I've seen, they're used for mocking, that uneasy feeling/suspicion, not knowing the word, or like, being depressed/disappointed.

"You remind me of your father... He was as weak as you are."

"Mike... What was that?"

"You know what you are? You're... Aw, dammit! It's right on the tip of my tongue! You're a... An asshole! There it is!"

"Jake called me an asshole today..."

I'm sure I'm missing a few, but it sounds like the word is getting dragged out, but also getting quieter. It's like when a band directer holds a note too damn long and everyone needs to breathe super bad. It just doesn't sound distinct or powerful, so things like this:

“How’s this for ineffective projectiles, jerk…”
Oh no.. It isn’t broken, is it?

Kinda read like this:

“How’s this for ineffective projectiles, jerk.”
Oh no. Kodi sighed. It isn’t broken, is it?

It just doesn't have the emphasis that it needs, and reading it like that sounds a bit odd.

All in all though, great job! It was a close fight from both of you, and ya both kicked ass!

And also:
Also keep in mind I'm not native English.

Then massive props.[/spoiler]
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Mar 9, 2015 11:56 PM #1323451
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This is sooooo overdue.

Anyway!

Vern:

[spoiler=]Alright, so opening up, great intro! I see Error already mentioned it, but characterization to me is my favorite part of the story. What makes people tick, why they're there and everything linking together. You did all that in the intro which I thought was great, but I can understand how it could be perceived as long. I don't exactly have advice for that because again, that was where I liked it and the line of who likes what is a tricky thread to tread.

But on to actual advice!

Have you heard the saying "If it bleeds, it dies" before? It's overused so it's no something I'd recommend, but the concept of it is that even a beast seems immortal, with that first drop you see that it isn't, and in turn that it can be killed before it kills you. If I watched more horror movies I'd have a better example, but it'd be like stabbing Jason in the shoulder. As soon as you see that red, whatever you're fighting isn't invincible anymore and you get a rush of moral.

Vern opened the fight catching an arrow with his bare hands and then proceeded to dodge several more. To me, the one that grazes the back of his leg is a "It bleeds, it dies" moment, even though he's the protagonist here. Additionally, even though you touched on the results of the shot soon afterward, I want to feel, and feel that your reader should feel the first shot. It sets the pace for how intense the fight's about to be, and when you skip over that it feels like "John staggered after he got punched in the face." Staggering is good and all, but I really want to see him get punched in the face.

In his attempt to elude the arrows the warrior had tumbled over a loose piece of cardboard idling around in the alleyways, allowing one of the huntress’s arrows to pass through the flesh surrounding the back of his leg with ease.

In his attempt to elude the arrows the warrior had tumbled over a loose piece of cardboard idling around in the alleyways, and as his hands scraped against pavement he rolled on, steal glinted in the moonlight. Soaring true, the razor-edge of the projectile sliced the back of his calf, arrowhead turning red as a trail of crimson droplets followed it's trajectory before striking the ally like an isolated rain.

Like Error, I felt like there was something... off, with the dot-dot-dots (they will always be dot-dot-dots in my book). Predominantly, at least as far as I've seen, they're used for mocking, that uneasy feeling/suspicion, not knowing the word, or like, being depressed/disappointed.

"You remind me of your father... He was as weak as you are."

"Mike... What was that?"

"You know what you are? You're... Aw, dammit! It's right on the tip of my tongue! You're a... An asshole! There it is!"

"Jake called me an asshole today..."

I'm sure I'm missing a few, but it sounds like the word is getting dragged out, but also getting quieter. It's like when a band directer holds a note too damn long and everyone needs to breathe super bad. It just doesn't sound distinct or powerful, so things like this:

“How’s this for ineffective projectiles, jerk…”
Oh no.. It isn’t broken, is it?

Kinda read like this:

“How’s this for ineffective projectiles, jerk.”
Oh no. Kodi sighed. It isn’t broken, is it?

It just doesn't have the emphasis that it needs, and reading it like that sounds a bit odd.

All in all though, great job! It was a close fight from both of you, and ya both kicked ass!

And also:

Then massive props.[/spoiler]


*worships* This also actually very helpful. You provide me with an insight I really didn't think about before. My biggest issue tackling this battle was keeping Wyvern from instantaneously curbstomping Kodi (as I mentioned before), and what you tell me "The beast bleeds etc." could actually prove quite useful for my future battles as Wyvern will grow quite largely in strength over the course of the next few stories (foreshadowing).

Dot factories are something I'll have to pay attention to as well, since I tend to do that a lot ^^.

Oh and it's WY-Vern, not Vern :S
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Mar 10, 2015 3:13 AM #1323559
Happy to help!

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Oh and it's WY-Vern, not Vern :S

Heh, yup! Did it on accident, suddenly realized I did, meant to fix it but then randomly forgot! My brain cannot handle full names
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