As I expected you completely ignored my post. No surprises there lol.

Mkay so I'll ask this; what exactly I did that signifies my "powaz aboose"?

@Pineapple

1. You've provided no names of anyone who has left SE because of _Ai_'s actions on SPP.
2. SPP does not revolve around SE, which you seem to believe.
3. None of the evidence you provided shows any avuse of power from _Ai_.
4. You've pretty much ignored others' words, trying to push your own agenda. This is not helping your case.
5. You preach equality, but seem to want special treatment for paying for a game. A game that is part of this forum, not the main focus.

If you're going to continue this, rather than just trying to bash _Ai_ (who is male by the way), why not simply apologize, have this thread binned, cool your head and move on?

Either way, you have a ban to wait out, maybe your time off the site will put things in perspective for you.

I guess this thread can be locked?

But..._Ai_, when did you get a gender change? You never told me and I'm in your clan!

don't worry Pineaple I agree you this mods is ignoring true but think... this persons will lose job for you post these thing you no feel sorry? :/

lik members payments is not same thing lose job, sorry (sorry englis)

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don't worry Pineaple I agree you this mods is ignoring true but think... this persons will lose job for you post these thing you no feel sorry? :/

lik members payments is not same thing lose job, sorry (sorry englis)

A one post player with a join date of Apr 2015 is the dodgiest account I've ever seen. Convenient that some no-name just agrees with you Pineapple, isn't it? Oh wait, I'm sorry, you're using a proxy as usual of course.

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"really long" (Click to Show)

So let's break this down;

for the so called "disturbing comments" (Click to Show)

First and foremost; The IRC comments. It seems that you can't tell the difference between joking and seriousness. For the first part of the chat, you'll have to know that I have a burning passion of hate towards Kaito, which recently died down. He's cool now. But anyways, since this'll be the point of most other "disturbing comments", every infraction has a different value. Trolling is 2 points, which combined with all the other points he accumulated, has received a ban. DAZ, on the other hand, only bumped threads, which gives 1 point for each infraction.

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Can't I feel anger, when someone posts stupid things a lot of times? I'm still human. I'm not a saint. And it's not like I banned him whenever I like. I had to go through the procedure and see if his infractions has been accumulated enough for me to ban him. btw the ban is automatic.

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As I said, each infractions has different amount of points. Oh and I forget that you can't joek sry.

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yeah the rest are pretty much "omg power aboose" which are in form of jokes. I can't joke with others because I'm a mod, got it.

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For the last point, I don't play SE anymore, nor am I associated with the SE Devs. As I said, they don't know me, I don't know them. I don't work for them.

SP Forums encourages to reply to infraction messages if they feel they have been unjustly infracted, but only when you made it civil. Instead, the first message I get from you is;

look at this loooooool (Click to Show)

Yeah. Totally not r00d.

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I thought I already said I'm going to speak in a non-formal way. Did you expect me to give you loves and hearts after blatantly "demanding" me to reverse you "unjustly" infractions and threatening that I'll lose my mod position? (not that I believe you; this whole charade is hilarious.)

You're name is PineappleReturnz. There's a several few other banned accounts that I can see that has pineapple in it, and is affiliated with SE. Might wanna check up on the rules before bustin' me out. Multiaccounts, even when using proxies, are not allowed here on SP because it falls under Ban Evasion. Want me to list the names? Because I sure can. Hell the reason why you're not banned is because I thought that you'll be able to change your ways and be good and oh you've proven me wrong. Way to go. Testimonies from DAZ, Rain, Myst, Wyz should be enough to prove me right. Oh right, proxies. These people are fake it seems, damn you found me out.

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Lolz were had here.

I never infracted anyone for the use of curses. Because most of the time, they're jokes, trying to prove a point, etc. There's many instances where I allow curses to go through here. I'm sorry you're so easily offended and don't have a sense of humor.

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Speaking of which, the "unjust infractions", right? So let's see.

Fell under flaming. Don't see any problems here (Click to Show)

[img]http://i.imgur.com/8wcPuNQ.png[img]

Fell under minor spam. omg such unfairness!1!! (Click to Show)

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Prs4a8L.png

Oh and that reminds me; you've demanded me to reverse your infractions but never once have you presented why has the infractions been made in error. What that implies? Well, think for yourself. I'm too lazy though.

I can dig more, because you do have more infractions. If you want to then I can do it.

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This is nonsense, as you said. lol.

This piqued my interest. Who exactly was the one who quit the game because of me? Why are you keeping this confidential? I see no reason to keep his name a secret. You were banned for multiaccounting/ban evasion and you will banned for the same reason, soon.

Reports can come from other people who doesn't piss off numerous other people. So far, your only contribution is giving the 100$ to the game. Oh and if we're gonna compare contributions, I've been in the game since beta, played chaos (naturally means membership which means money), joined clans, an elder on Zenith. Still wanna see who contributed more? Let's measure our dicks because I'll definitely win.

Oh since we're at it. Who does approve of the removal of my mod status? This is a good time for me to evaluate how much I've been doing a mod so far.

As much as I want to side with you, your excessive use of sarcasm honestly makes you look obnoxious. I know I already said this in IRC, but I want to say this here again: I agree with Tecness in that you handled this poorly, and this post is a continuation of handling this poorly. I'm not saying you're a bad mod; I rarely come to your domain so I can't assess your overall performance, but saying "but not now, you're my food and I want to play with you" is really of poor taste.

Being a person with a sort of devils advocate type personality, I was completely willing to see your side pineapple. However, after short review of what your are blatantly ignoring of the actual truth of the matter I have to say have lost this argument in the long run. Both users could've handled things differently. Ignorance does not excuse anyone person from their actions.

Nice...

4 words:
Pineapple, you fucked up.

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Nice...

4 words:
Pineapple, you fucked up.

It was at this moment that Pineapple knew... he. fucked. up.

inb4 he comes back with more "dis iz unfer! i dmnd u to unbang mi"

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inb4 he comes back with more "dis iz unfer! i dmnd u to unbang mi"

I don't understand why he constantly persists with being "fair". Lmfao it's a forum for a flash game, slow your role.

Has mike disappeared all of a sudden btw?

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Has mike disappeared all of a sudden btw?

We scared mike away :P

Oh boy, where to begin.

Okay, let's set aside your "evidence" for a moment because I want to address some problems with your logic and interpretation of what I sent you. First, we encourage you to seek recourse in the event you are infracted and disagree with it, part of the stipulation for this is that you do so in a calm and respectful manner. What you did was neither calm nor respectful. In fact, it most certainly WAS blackmail despite your claims, which not only is the complete opposite of what you should be doing but it also definitely falls under the label of harassment.

Allow me to explain since your grasp on the English language seems to be flexible when it suits your needs: it doesn't matter who is in the right with blackmail, all that matters is that you're threatening someone with something unless they meet your demand. Demanding a moderator shield you from a legitimate infraction or be exposed for corruption fits that bill, and is no better than what you're accusing him of. Yet you confidently claim you'd become a mod here? Give me a break. If you had any actually damning evidence against Ai, I would certainly take that into account, but regardless of your evidence what you are doing and what you did is so far out of line and you seem completely oblivious to it.

Maybe you feel like you're being victimized or treated unfairly, but I'd like to remind you that I gave you clear instructions in the infraction I sent you for pursuing problems you have with a mod and you chose to ignore them. You claim that lots of people have had a problem with Ai but I have a list here of people who have complained about him to someone that can do something about it that may surprise you:


I have yet to see anyone complaining about him or make any meaningful effort to alert the staff to his behavior. If you follow proper protocol which has been clearly stated to you at least once, all you'd need to do is send myself or any other admin a PM - again in a calm and respectful manner - explaining what Ai was doing, what proof you have, and what you'd like done. No threats, no blackmail, no harassment. If you were actually looking to affect a positive change by removing someone you see as an evil power-hungry corrupt mod, this is what you should have done. Instead, trying to leverage what you consider "damning evidence" to get Ai to do what you want only hurts you. So in this case so far all you've managed to do is condemn yourself trying to throw Ai under the bus. Great job.

Moving on to your complaints about multiple accounts: we have had a big problem with people making multiple accounts for various reasons in the past, so it's a rule we are strict about. I personally think abandoning your old account to change your name is silly, but I would have unbanned one of them if you explained to us what happened. It's reasonable for a mod to see the two active-looking accounts and assume you've just made two to post with, I don't fault Ai for following procedure. It's also reasonable for you to have an issue with it, but again in this situation instead of doing your due diligence to resolve the situation you created a third option which was just to break more rules and hope no one calls you out on it. Literally admitting that this is a third account after having two other accounts banned for multiple accounts is also hurting your case, and further damning you. You're not allowed to just make another account after being banned for multiple accounts. Being banned isn't just some minor inconvenience, it means you're not allowed at this community. The ONLY instance you may make more than one account is to contact an admin about a ban on your first account. Something you should have done. Let's add that to the list of rules you've broken in order to seek vengence.

Now let's touch on this "evidence" you are using to justify ALL of this. Really? You're using a chat log from a private IRC channel as evidence of his wrong doing? This better be good. Let's look at each of your highlights I guess:

( ^ Here we have a confession to breaking rules that he infracts other players for. Double-standards are not appropriate. You are not better than us.)

It's unreasonable to expect a mod to infract themself. If they realized they broke a rule by mistake, big deal. Moderators are humans and humans can make mistakes. Being in a leadership position means you're given the opportunity to fix your mistakes without getting an infraction, and I think that's completely fair. It's not like making a single mistake indicates a history of corruption or even any kind of corruption, just like someone breaking a single rule doesn't indicate they are a bad user.

Mods actions are watched closely by other mods, behind the scenes we have a vigilant group that is not afraid to call out other mods for bad behavior. I can pull out at least 2 threads in the bat cave right now that have mods debating over the actions one mod took. I've also personally issue infractions to mods before when they do break rules and don't seem to know they have. It's not like we leave mods actions unchecked on the forums. At worst this is just a "try not to bump old threads" warning, hardly grounds for removal.

(A ban is a result of breaking the rules. Your job is to enforce this. Without breaking the rules, a ban is not merited whether you "feel" like it or not. Period.)

Again, mods are humans and humans have emotions. Ai is allowed to have a problem with someone, and he's allowed to express that. What's important here is that he doesn't just "ban" someone for it. That has not happened and if it did, I would have a problem with it. There is also definitely a point where a mod may be using their position to verbally bully a member they didn't like without actually banning them, and I would also have a problem with that. I don't see any evidence of that here. Hang on to this thought because this is relevant for the next one:

(Why does AI give 1 player 3 infraction points instead of 4 and another 2 instead of 1 Rather than treat everyone fairly (the necessary quality of being a moderator)? AI clearly favors his friends and takes it out on those who he personally dislikes.)

This is a valid complaint, and I have already spoken to Ai about this in the bat cave and given him a warning not to allow his emotions (mentioned above) affect his ability to moderate. Ai has not had a history of any sort of corruption or cronyism, so this being the first valid complaint against him means we now have documented evidence, and if it happens again we can see a pattern and act accordingly. See how this works? If you had sent this privately to me I would be able to keep tabs on Ai's behavior. Unfortunately this is public now, which means he's aware and if he was actually abusing his power he would know to lay low with it for a while. I don't actually think that about him, but can you see why we have the proper channels for complaining about a mod?

Either way, this is also not grounds for removal. Slap on the wrist at worst, and if he keeps doing this then we'll have a problem.

(Notice how AI bans this player with the explanation: "lol". He later goes on to explain the reason being for "spamming" with only 1 post every 30min or so. Spam is the exact opposite of this.)

(Notice how no one knows who I am at this time. They are trying to deface my character without any idea that I am in the room. Can you imagine how awkward a situation like this is for them? No wonder these individuals dislike me.)

(In a calm and respectable manner, Usman indicates of AI's prolonged history of power-abuse and AI not only dismisses this but shows a genuine lack of any sort of ability to self-reflect on the matter by making a joke of it. Being a forum mod for a growing, internationally-embraced game with huge potential makes this a very serious matter that calls for very serious responsibility, and AI clearly displays no understanding of this whatsoever.)

(Here AI tries to justify banning people for no reason)

(Notice how jli uses this particular figure-of-speech, indicating that it is not just "I" who does this. Regardless, the mods feel entitled to try to deface the manner in which I choose to communicate (above).)

(Finally, we see that the actions of AI have caused not only the original victim, but another (who happens to be a former player; do you think he is more likely to return after these actions of AI?) to believe that they are not allowed a fair experience on Stick Empires.)

None of these are relevant to SP or have any bearing on his position here. This is taken from a private IRC channel not officially run by or endorsed by SP, what actions he takes in said channel are not official actions from a moderator of the SP forums. What he chooses to do and say in a private channel is up to him so long as it doesn't actually affect his position here, and I see no indication of that happening.

So basically you've pretty much guaranteed your own punishment while accomplishing nothing despite your best efforts to be devious and leverage evidence against a person in a position of power. You would be the worst Game of Thrones character.

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You would be the worst Game of Thrones character.

Then its time for him to die.

I'm just passing along here and wanted to point out that Devour's excellent assholes-all-day comment was plagiarized from me (which he must have thought would remain blissfully out of my sight in the SE section), and I plagiarized it from author Elmore Leonard.

On topic: This is a textbook example of how not to handle something, and I realize that my own flare up against modding a few weeks ago was similar in nature to this (but nowhere nearly as devious), and I feel bad for that. I think as long as AI got a bit of a heads up to just keep his head together (which I think he was talked to about ) thats all that is required.

To the guy who created this thread, I don't think creating a thread that 'I warned you AI' and then proceeding to verbally march to your own tune will aid your vigilante justice purposes.