Would you watch your own funeral?

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Apr 20, 2015 1:12 AM #1350645
But when I said I'd pick my option, you said that my option wasn't what I thought it was. Hence me not being sure about my options overall. Or even this scenario.
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Apr 20, 2015 1:15 AM #1350646
Did I say that?

I said that there were other things to consider, not just the intent of Option A, but the implications.
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Apr 20, 2015 1:23 AM #1350651
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Actually I never brought this up in my opening post, but Option A also has the added consequence of physically seeing your own funeral. If you just died with a white-room-amnesia then seeing yourself and the repercussions for 2 years might severely unnerve you.

That's also another thing to consider guys. It's a consequence of lingering.
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Note that "funeral" includes:
- The wake ceremony where people can see your body before the funeral prior.
- The funeral service proper.
- The first 2 years of the people in your life after the funeral. But only as an observer. No haunting. No possession. No interaction. They will NOT be able to feel your presence.
- When the 2 years are over, you will be forced into the beyond. Whatever that is, is up to your beliefs.
- However, you will retain these collected thoughts even though your memory will be wiped (see below). They will linger as notions and emotions such as "vengeance" or "obsession with ". You won't know why though.


^That is what the first choice entails.

Just to clear things up:
- There is no hurry to goto the afterlife but the time spent waiting will only be reserved for making the choice. The question is not about whether you will stay, but it is whether you will care to stay for the things you'll leave behind.
- Staying to "think about your decision" simply means you are in a pseudo-purgatory state. You will still be an observer incapable of affecting anything in the mortal realm. The moment your mind even gets an inkling of either choice, it will fling you there whether you are prepared or not.
- The option to stay forever is not allowed. An Eternity for someone could mean another duration for someone else.
- Note that if you picked the first option, you will still be moving on anyway. The difference is, you will be saddled with the burdens of your own death.
- Finally, assume that everyone thinks that no one is going to hell, the option to go there is still open anyway and really is it for us to judge? Going to hell is irrelevant to the question because it happens after you "move on".
- You actually have no idea when and how you "died". Having to choose Option A means you will get to find out; perks of the choice. You just sort of appeared in this situation as a dead guy. So, there is no provision as to being able to choose depending on how you died.


This is what I meant. I'm going to physically see my funeral, but how am I seeing it? When I "move on," since I have the memories of what happened, am I being reborn exactly as who I am, or am I someone else with these emotions born of a past life? These points were brought up in my post here:

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Actually, looking back into this, I'm confused on what exactly you mean. If I'm dead, and viewing my own funeral, then am I not a spectre? A ghost? A phantasm? If I'm not, then what exactly am I, if this is my funeral? Did I reincarnate in the past, momentarily able to recall my former life at the time of my death? I ask also, because how would I realistically/hypothetically/whatever, get to view for the next two years how everyone who cared for me goes about their lives? I figured I was dead and semi-omniscient before moving on to some great beyond to become somebody else with lingering relics of semi-memory from my past life. If that's incorrect, I'll need some clarification on just what is actually happening.



Through trying to remove any accidental bias against people's beliefs, you've created a bit of a blurry image on how the choices actually work.
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Apr 20, 2015 1:44 AM #1350663
I leave the 'after' of the choices vague on purpose because that is not what this poll is all about. As I already mentioned, you don't get the luxury to think about what you are nitpicking on right now. You don't get to plan that far ahead or believe that being a spectre and choosing Option A are 2 different things. It is the Choice that's the concern, and your overanalysis will lead you to nowhere.
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Apr 20, 2015 2:01 AM #1350672
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As I already mentioned, you don't get the luxury to think about what you are nitpicking on right now. You don't get to plan that far ahead or believe that being a spectre and choosing Option A are 2 different things. It is the Choice that's the concern, and your overanalysis will lead you to nowhere.

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- There is no hurry to goto the afterlife but the time spent waiting will only be reserved for making the choice. The question is not about whether you will stay, but it is whether you will care to stay for the things you'll leave behind.
- Staying to "think about your decision" simply means you are in a pseudo-purgatory state. You will still be an observer incapable of affecting anything in the mortal realm. The moment your mind even gets an inkling of either choice, it will fling you there whether you are prepared or not.


Contradictory statements. I can nitpick all I like, even if it gets me nowhere. I'm not changing my choice from A, but I'd like to know what you mean when you say we're going to go through these things. Because even if it doesn't seem like it matters, in the long run it would. It's a confusing hypothetical, and you're not making it any less confusing.
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Apr 21, 2015 2:23 AM #1351291
It is confusing.

I dont wanna explain it anymore, I feel like we're all just going in circular logic here.

Besides, it's not like nobody understands. I don't know why your gears and circuits just can't process it when everyone else isn't really putting much thought into it.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:11 AM #1351450
Hewitt, stop being so cranky and blaming Azure. His programming includes only punishing things, not understanding them.

You might hate me, but I'm also completely unable to make up my mind on this. I want to step into the future and not risk watching my parents be in complete anguish, but I can't bring myself to click on the option either.
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Apr 28, 2015 5:18 AM #1354443
Come to think of it, I don't think robots have souls.

And its fine to be indecisive. It's why I didn't put a 3rd option---because everyone will just squat in it like none's the wiser.