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Wither:

Powers:
-Withering Touch: Wither causes any organic matter he touches to wither away. Organic means that at some point in time it was alive to some extent, so objects such as cotton clothing is affected as well. The way this ability works, it breaks down the forces binding organic material together, putting it to a more base form such (elements). This usually results in a pile of dust where the organic material used to be. This power actually craves being used, forcing Wither to use it quite often.
-Vampirism: Though no actual boosts in ability have been noted with vampirism, it does give him a scary face from time to time, and is implied to give him immortality (in the form of eternal youth). For battle sake, we'll also say it gives him superhuman strength and durability.

Abilities:
-No additional abilities.

Weaknesses:
-His Withering Touch is a passive ability that he has no control over. If he touches something organic, it is going to begin withering.
-Despite being a vampire, he can still be killed.

Personality:
A loner and outcast, Wither has deep set issues regarding his abilities, which are only somewhat removed when he becomes an apprentice to the Black Witch. He's grown to have no issue with killing others, and has a deep set anger against the world. He's fiercely loyal to his comrades, however, this doesn't mean there's no tension between them. His only true loyalty, and likely love, is to the Black Witch.

Rex Salazar:

Powers:
-Technopathy: Rex is able to communicate and manipulate different machines through his nanobots.
-Machine Generation: Rex is able to manipulate the nanobots that are bonded with him to form different robotic parts from his body. This includes but is not limited to: Giant Robotic Fists, A Big Fat Sword, Giant Robot Feet, and a Hoverbike.
-Enhanced Body: The presence of nanobots in his body (his in particular, not all) give Rex increased strength and durability compared to a normal human's.
-Enhanced Regeneration: Rex's nanobots automatically react to threats to his body, and work to prevent serious harm/death to Rex. While not extremely fast, they do tend to be effective, saving his life on multiple occasions.
-Unlimited Nanite Production: The presence of a special nanobot, known as the Omega-1 Nanite, allows Rex to produce a limitless number of nanobots through a self-replication process.

Abilities:
-High Intellect: Rex, despite being a goof, is highly intelligent, able to calculate advanced math problems in little time.
-High Acrobatics: Rex's reflexes and acrobatic talent exceeds that of a normal human's substantially, which is likely due to the presence of the Omega-1 Nanite.
-Combat Training: Rex has received training in both hand-to-hand as well as weapon training due to his working for Providence.

Weaknesses:
-Rex's nanobots are merged with him on a molecular level, so it can be assumed that the machines he generates are organic in nature.
-Despite his intelligence, Rex is a cocky goofball and often gets into disadvantageous situations due to it.
-Rex is able to use only one machine at a time, meaning he has to break down any machines he's currently using in order to use another.

Personality:
Overconfident, reckless, rebellious, headstrong, "smash first, think later," and easily annoyed. He's not sure how he feels about his position with Providence, his employers and overseers, but at the same time he is deeply loyal. He has a righteous attitude, wanting to remain on the side of what he sees as just, but sometimes he can't always be the hero he tries to be.

Battle Location and Conditions:
The location of the battle is the abandoned ruins of city, giving no definitive advantage to either side. The battle does not have to result in death, and can simply result in one side being unable to continue fighting. However, there is a high chance of battle resulting in death.

Wither wins. Rex's technology-like arms are powered by nanobots, which are tiny organisms that inhabit Rex's body. Considered organic.

Yeah. Wither wins.

Especially since Rex is an overconfident person who attacks without thought.

how are nanobots considered organic at all ever

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Wither wins. Rex's technology-like arms are powered by nanobots, which are tiny organisms that inhabit Rex's body. Considered organic.

Yeah. Wither wins.

Especially since Rex is an overconfident person who attacks without thought.

Do take into consideration that Rex has had something similar to Wither happen before. He was able to produce more nanites at a speed that overtook their destruction. I'd say that Wither would win if he could have direct contact with Rex's main body, but that means getting past the massive range that his different weapons provide. One of which is a gun that uses the terrain as ammunition, and a giant fucking sword that doubles as a circular saw.

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how are nanobots considered organic at all ever

It's debatable how they work, since they have been shown to cause different organic traits and such in others.

Wither = No range.

Rex = Can turn his own arms into cannons. Can materialize machines to make him fly in the air.


This is not a fight. There is nothing here to indicate that Wither will be able to get his hands on Rex before the fight is ended very quickly.

Rex's cannons require he be grounded to use, and as mentioned, he can only use one type of machine at a time. With his machinery also being at least semi-organic in nature, contact with Wither's body would result in them breaking down and needing to be reformed, which does take time. Given these kinds of conditions, if Wither makes his way to Rex, it's possible for him to grab Rex's actual body and break him down. His Withering Touch is stronger and faster than the virus I mentioned him catching with similar properties, and as a vampire, Wither isn't likely to just go down from being hit for a few moments by Rex's weapons.

Common sense would dictate that in a ruined city, Rex would first fly up to a higher vantage point so he can see his enemy. Ruined cities normally have buildings that you can get on top of. From there, he could use his canons to blast Wither.

I just don't see how Wither could possibly make his way to Rex in an environment like that without Rex having an extreme upper hand.

Also, Rex's canons don't necessarily shoot a part of his body as the missile, they're capable of using random, inorganic material around him as ballistics as well.

Flying to the roof of an abandoned building does give range advantage, but not necessarily the advantage in battle. As stated, the ammunition used in the cannons comes from his surroundings, so Rex would be using the building itself to fire at Wither. This limits his mobility, as well as his actual space on top of the building. He'd also have to be on the edge, meaning that more than a shot or two could cause a cave in or worse. In a similar vein, Rex's shots wouldn't be unavoidable. They're fired in straight lines, so if there is visual contact, Wither has a chance to avoid any incoming shots. There's also hiding inside of buildings, putting him outside of Rex's firing range. Hard to shoot what you can't see.

Wait, wouldn't that mean Rex could find a proper vantage point and just get the entire city to cave in, thus killing/subduing Wither? I know he isn't going to find a vantage point in a jiffy, but the odds are so heavily stacked in his favour. I mean, the only question is how long he will take to find Wither and take him out. There is no way that a super-smart guy like Rex is going to let his unknown enemy get his hands on him.

You can say IF Wither gets his hands on Rex, something could happen. But how is Wither going to get his hands on someone who can fly, glide, levitate, run, blast, rush, ride away?

The same way quite a few other antagonists in Generator Rex have: Rex is reckless. He's smart, yes, but he doesn't immediately think. He's the type who does in fact go in fists first. Just as you can say IF Wither gets his hand on Rex, you could similarly say IF Rex decides to be cautious, which is contradictory to his nature.

Thats another ruling you'll have to make. You'll need to decide if Plot-Induced Stupidity is at work. Because the only reason Rex goes in fist-first is so that it'll make for an interesting fight scene / drama / plot in the TV show. The episodes would be boring as fuck if he dispatches everyone in minutes.

Because otherwise all the fight debates will just be a circlejerk of 'he would do this' and ' no he would do that' instead of using the powers and the skills to make an analysis.

Also, doesn't he have like thermal vision goggles on him? So basically he'll know where Wither is while Wither will have no clue where he is.

He does have them, but that's an upgrade to his normal goggles not included for that very reason. The only reason I allowed Surge her gauntlets in the other poll is because without, she'd be a walking discharge machine unable to control when or how they release. It's also why Juniper Lee has no magical artifacts to allow her to cast spells.

As for PIS, in Rex's case it's half plot, half due to his personality which is attributed to his mother and his angst over his place in the world and work for Providence. It's the sort of like the new Spider-Man in the Amazing Spider-Man movies. I do see what you mean though; if Rex acted in a strictly logical fashion, then this really would be no match whatsoever. It's because he doesn't work strictly on logic, and only thinks things over when rushing in doesn't work that this match-up has fairness to it, as well as the fact it's creation vs destruction.

Does he rush headfirst into EVOs or do we know that he would rush headfirst into just about any enemy, regardless of who they are? Cause then I think you need to remove the super-intelligence from his description in the front page.

Lets say he does do it, but then we're assuming that Rex is downright stupid because he knows a) He needs to take down this guy and b) He knows nothing about this guy, who could be ANYBODY with ANY powers and he would STILL rush into combat. Angst against rampaging EVOs is one thing, assuming that he'd be cocky and stupid enough to rush headfirst into a totally unknown enemy who he could take down using much simpler options is an entirely different manner.

But lets say for the purpose of this fight, we assume that someone like Guitarii or mike1729 has temporarily taken over the body and powers of Rex, and decides to rush head in, then we need yet another ruling. Assuming that Rex's machines are semi-organic, just HOW semi-organic are they i.e. how long will it take for Wither's powers to start disintegrating them?

On a fully organic human, his powers take seconds (10-15, depending on skin contact and location) to kill, meaning there is a period to restrain himself from outright murder (hence how he didn't kill Wallflower or that one other guy as a teen). Against Rex's semi-organic machinery, I believe it'd be fair to say it'd take around 2x-3x longer to break down the machines specifically, though similar human killing time on Rex himself.

Also, hopefully others can put in some discussion while I'm out volunteering at a battered women's shelter.

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On a fully organic human, his powers take seconds (10-15, depending on skin contact and location) to kill, meaning there is a period to restrain himself from outright murder (hence how he didn't kill Wallflower or that one other guy as a teen). Against Rex's semi-organic machinery, I believe it'd be fair to say it'd take around 2x-3x longer to break down the machines specifically, though similar human killing time on Rex himself.

Also, hopefully others can put in some discussion while I'm out volunteering at a battered women's shelter.

Is battered women's shelter a euphemism for the other thread with Surge and Juniper?

Anyway, this just boils down to how stupid we think Rex is. Engaging EVOs head-on is cocky. Engaging a totally unknown combatant is stupid. He has the tools to win this fight without breaking a sweat but we have to decide on whether or not he will be foolish enough to engage a completely unknown enemy headfirst solely based on the fact that he has engaged EVOs headfirst in the past. Otherwise there isn't much to debate.