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Why make polls if you don't care? Why post at all if you don't care? Follow through with your apathy and don't even bother.

No, deep inside he DOES care, he's just trying to look like he's not affected by our feedback. Otherwise why else would he go out of your way to continue making polls and maintain an extended conversation? He simply relishes the feeling of people looking at his posts. Then again, perhaps he really didn't care which explains why there's no effort in his discussion and most of his ventures are on impulse.

I guess now that he's been called out, he will try to prove his statement by "not caring." (i.e. ignoring us and hope we forget about it)

The thing that really grinds my gears is how people pick Katana (just because they are used in anime). No one took in thought that the actual REAL WORLD Katana was crafted by the most incompetent blacksmiths for the most incompetent swordsmen.

The Samurai used it as a last measure, only when they were in a REALLY REALLY thight spot, out of spears, too far to use their daggers, only THEN they'd draw the Katana, swing and hope for the best. Another thing is that the blade of the Katana is rather thick, that thing can never slash through another sword, let alone armour.

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Why make polls if you don't care? Why post at all if you don't care? Follow through with your apathy and don't even bother.

i don't care about his opinion.

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The thing that really grinds my gears is how people pick Katana (just because they are used in anime). No one took in thought that the actual REAL WORLD Katana was crafted by the most incompetent blacksmiths for the most incompetent swordsmen.

The Samurai used it as a last measure, only when they were in a REALLY REALLY thight spot, out of spears, too far to use their daggers, only THEN they'd draw the Katana, swing and hope for the best. Another thing is that the blade of the Katana is rather thick, that thing can never slash through another sword, let alone armour.

are you sure? if it the last-hope-weapon kind of thing and can't break another katana why are every samurai bring 2 katanas ?
and why are meiji prohibit people to bring katana? not spear?
and what make you thing katana craftman are incompetent?
and why you think there is no certain technique when using katana?
and at the very last , what make you thing , at the tropical land like japan , wich have so many dense forest , why would spear become the primary weapon?

so many question.

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The thing that really grinds my gears is how people pick Katana (just because they are used in anime). No one took in thought that the actual REAL WORLD Katana was crafted by the most incompetent blacksmiths for the most incompetent swordsmen.

The Samurai used it as a last measure, only when they were in a REALLY REALLY thight spot, out of spears, too far to use their daggers, only THEN they'd draw the Katana, swing and hope for the best. Another thing is that the blade of the Katana is rather thick, that thing can never slash through another sword, let alone armour.

But what if we only chose katana cause it's really strong and sharp, can break bamboo easily and not only because we see it in anime?

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But what if we only chose katana cause it's really strong and sharp, can break bamboo easily and not only because we see it in anime?

You need to learn a certain style to use it properly. If you don't you're going to break it as said earlier.

Plus that shit is hard to find.

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are you sure? if it the last-hope-weapon kind of thing and can't break another katana why are every samurai bring 2 katanas ?
and why are meiji prohibit people to bring katana? not spear?
and what make you thing katana craftman are incompetent?
and what you think there is no certain technque when using katana?
and at the very last , what make you thing , at the tropical land like japan , wich have so many dense forest , why would spear become the primary weapon?

so many question.

1-I have no idea what you said in the first row, but Samurai never brought 2 katanas with them. They brought 2 spears, a dagger for close combat after thrusting the opponent with a spear and a sword (katana) as a last measure.
2-Everyone except the Samurai were prohibited to carry swords and a peasant carrying a sword was enough reason to kill the peasant and take the sword after a prohibition was issued in early Edo period.
3- Well the Japanese craftsmen decided that they need a sword, and they did create the Katana, ok, an avarage sword. What's the problem tho? 15fucking centuries these guys are making the same sword, over and over again, without trying anything new, without thinking of all the disadvantages (since it's a 2-handed weapon), without making even the slightest change on the sword, for CENTURIES. To be honest it's a great sword, it's not BAD but it isn't better than most European swords. What calls for an incompetent craftsmen more than not being able to make anything new and simply copying the previous generation? P.S. - They experiment with different curve lenghts and possition, but that's not innvoation (and it's not anything new, it doesn't really change the weapon)
4- It doesn't matter what technique you use. The katana was created from the same metal the samurai's armour was made- You can't cut metal with the exact same metal, neither another sword - here goes down the myth for being able to slice people in two and cut through weapons and armour. One other thing is that the Katana's blade is extremely thick, thicker than most swords, which makes it even worst for cutting through armour than an average broad sword.
5- Like I said, it's impossible to cut through the armour of samurai, therefore the Katana wasn't efficient at all. I am not really deep into the Japanese history, but it's a fact that the spear was a primary weapon, not only in japan but in the whole world at that time. I know for sure Samurai's primary weapon is a spear (2 spears total) a dagger when closed in and a katana for a last resort.


@ Ipman - it's not strong, a sword can't be strong. It's sharp, however, thick (as I explain above, the thicker the blade the less slashing power through armour and other solid material). No It can't break bamboo, it can cut bamboo - just like every other blade in the world.


Don't get me wrong, if the oppenent is without armour, the Katana is the best sword to cut him down- it's sharpness and curved blade are especially efficent against non-armoured people and it indeed can slice through a person with the right technique. However, in a real fight against armoured opponent it's not better than a normal sword.

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1-I have no idea what you said in the first row, but Samurai never brought 2 katanas with them. They brought 2 spears, a dagger for close combat after thrusting the opponent with a spear and a sword (katana) as a last measure.
2-Everyone except the Samurai were prohibited to carry swords and a peasant carrying a sword was enough reason to kill the peasant and take the sword after a prohibition was issued in early Edo period.
3- Well the Japanese craftsmen decided that they need a sword, and they did create the Katana, ok, an avarage sword. What's the problem tho? 15fucking centuries these guys are making the same sword, over and over again, without trying anything new, without thinking of all the disadvantages (since it's a 2-handed weapon), without making even the slightest change on the sword, for CENTURIES. To be honest it's a great sword, it's not BAD but it isn't better than most European swords. What calls for an incompetent craftsmen more than not being able to make anything new and simply copying the previous generation? P.S. - They experiment with different curve lenghts and possition, but that's not innvoation (and it's not anything new, it doesn't really change the weapon)
4- It doesn't matter what technique you use. The katana was created from the same metal the samurai's armour was made- You can't cut metal with the exact same metal, neither another sword - here goes down the myth for being able to slice people in two and cut through weapons and armour. One other thing is that the Katana's blade is extremely thick, thicker than most swords, which makes it even worst for cutting through armour than an average broad sword.
5- Like I said, it's impossible to cut through the armour of samurai, therefore the Katana wasn't efficient at all. I am not really deep into the Japanese history, but it's a fact that the spear was a primary weapon, not only in japan but in the whole world at that time. I know for sure Samurai's primary weapon is a spear (2 spears total) a dagger when closed in and a katana for a last resort.


@ Ipman - it's not strong, a sword can't be strong. It's sharp, however, thick (as I explain above, the thicker the blade the less slashing power through armour and other solid material). No It can't break bamboo, it can cut bamboo - just like every other blade in the world.


Don't get me wrong, if the oppenent is without armour, the Katana is the best sword to cut him down- it's sharpness and curved blade are especially efficent against non-armoured people and it indeed can slice through a person with the right technique. However, in a real fight against armoured opponent it's not better than a normal sword.

well im not really into the japanese either , so im just speaking on my experience by watching japan channel , samurai themed movie and all that.

-i guess the majority of them , or probably all of them , always bring 2 katana , look at them old photos of samurai , almost all of them bring two katana (or its probably katana and wakizaki) well , at least a sword and a sword-like dagger , i rarely see any photo of samurai helding a spear

-wait , so do you mean.. spear was not enough reason to kill people? ._. , why?

-cause probably they're already satisfied with the result , and also 15 centuries? its a TIL , could you give me the citation? (doesn't mean i dont trust you , just courious)

-by technique , i mean them technique to evade , strike , and how to avoid thing , and all , i swear to good i've seen some documentaries on japan channel about katana fighting technique , and also , by thick , i guess , its not the edge that thick . but the layers , so i guess... more layers , more thick , more power.

-wait , what time period is we are talking now?

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well im not really into the japanese either , so im just speaking on my experience by watching japan channel , samurai themed movie and all that.

-i guess the majority of them , or probably all of them , always bring 2 katana , look at them old photos of samurai , almost all of them bring two katana (or its probably katana and wakizaki) well , at least a sword and a sword-like dagger , i rarely see any photo of samurai helding a spear

-wait , so do you mean.. spear was not enough reason to kill people? ._. , why?

-cause probably they're already satisfied with the result , and also 15 centuries? its a TIL , could you give me the citation? (doesn't mean i dont trust you , just courious)

-by technique , i mean them technique to evade , strike , and how to avoid thing , and all , i swear to good i've seen some documentaries on japan channel about katana fighting technique , and also , by thick , i guess , its not the edge that thick . but the layers , so i guess... more layers , more thick , more power.

-wait , what time period is we are talking now?

1- It's like you didn't even read what I said. You can't speak out from watching MOVIES.. it's like saying that there's a fucking island with dinosours because you saw it in Lost..

2- I have no idea what you're talking about. Have you read history books? No no, first of all where the fuck did you find photos from the 5-17th century? If you read a history book about the samurai and the Japanese army, you'd know that the primary weapon was a spear (later a bow for the bowmen), a dagger, and 1 single Katana. > these are samurai https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Samurai_wearing_kusari_katabira_%28chain_armor%29.jpg
and these are ronin - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Samurai_actors.jpg/1920px-Samurai_actors.jpg .
There wasn't a single retard to go on a war without any equpiment rather than 2 swords (this ^is not how the fought)

3- satisfied =/ competent - by 15 (it's actually 11 centuries my bad) centuries I mean from the first ever crafted Katana to nowadays.. seriously read history books. Why do you need citation for History? It itself is a fact.

4- There isn't a specific time period, you said that people where prohibited to wielding katanas(in your eyes meaning that they are deadly , blah blah blah) I simply destoryed your statement with the fact that people didn't wield katanas because only the samurai (who went through a retual when they were young) were allowed to carry them (it's just a law starting from the Edo period)

No matter what time period you look at , NEVER NEVER in the japanese history the katana was a primary weapon - http://www.jref.com/history/samurai/


P.S. Take your time to read what I actually write (and the link I provided) before mindlessly replying agian- I won't waste my time on idiotic replies anymore.


@Ipman - yeah, because he'd just stay there waving at you. Yeah, do that.

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@Ipman - yeah, because he'd just stay there waving at you. Yeah, do that.

The fucks wrong with you? What do you want me to say? Ill just die here instead?

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1- It's like you didn't even read what I said. You can't speak out from watching MOVIES.. it's like saying that there's a fucking island with dinosours because you saw it in Lost..

2- I have no idea what you're talking about. Have you read history books? No no, first of all where the fuck did you find photos from the 5-17th century? If you read a history book about the samurai and the Japanese army, you'd know that the primary weapon was a spear (later a bow for the bowmen), a dagger, and 1 single Katana. > these are samurai https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Samurai_wearing_kusari_katabira_%28chain_armor%29.jpg
and these are ronin - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Samurai_actors.jpg/1920px-Samurai_actors.jpg .
There wasn't a single retard to go on a war without any equpiment rather than 2 swords (this ^is not how the fought)

3- satisfied =/ competent - by 15 (it's actually 11 centuries my bad) centuries I mean from the first ever crafted Katana to nowadays.. seriously read history books. Why do you need citation for History? It itself is a fact.

4- There isn't a specific time period, you said that people where prohibited to wielding katanas(in your eyes meaning that they are deadly , blah blah blah) I simply destoryed your statement with the fact that people didn't wield katanas because only the samurai (who went through a retual when they were young) were allowed to carry them (it's just a law starting from the Edo period)

No matter what time period you look at , NEVER NEVER in the japanese history the katana was a primary weapon - http://www.jref.com/history/samurai/


P.S. Take your time to read what I actually write (and the link I provided) before mindlessly replying agian- I won't waste my time on idiotic replies anymore.


@Ipman - yeah, because he'd just stay there waving at you. Yeah, do that.

-by movies in japanese channel i mean documentary movies

-but there are people that reenact thing and then photo them

-not much of a history book i can read here , especially with this slow connection

-i never say they're deadly though . im just asking thing cause what you say is againt common knowledge

- ay doesn't need to be rude man , i know my english is bad and you probably reading my first question post as a "decline everything you said" post , but i just mean it as a " fast type post ", you know what i mean? :I

I'd say machete because I do Arnis (search it up on google) and the real weapon in arnis is a machete.
I chose it cuz I would have a higher advantage than newbs that dont know how to use it but for me i guess i can just stick with the machete....

Does a shock-stick count as a melee weapon?

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are you sure? if it the last-hope-weapon kind of thing and can't break another katana why are every samurai bring 2 katanas ?

They don't. They carry a daisho, which is a pair of swords that symbolizes their status. For a while it was the katana and the wakizashi, for a longer while the larger was sword was the tanto or for most of bushido history it was whatever was popular amongst the samurai of the time.

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and what make you thing katana craftman are incompetent?

The craftsmen must have been pretty skilled but the iron ore found and used in Japan was shit quality so they had to use the folded metal technique we hear about (which was used around the world to create steel superior to the japanese variety by far but that's another story).

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and why you think there is no certain technique when using katana?

There is a certain technique. The reason is so that the sword doesn't break in your due to Japan's shitty ore as mentioned above.

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and at the very last , what make you thing , at the tropical land like japan , wich have so many dense forest , why would spear become the primary weapon?

Spears were popular military weapons everywhere, including Japan. Why? Well, they're cheap, easy to use and work really well when used by a formed army. As for Japan's geography, it's not entirely tropical, just the southern region but that's mostly irrelevant because the Japanese empire was pretty large and did most of the fighting on frontlines off of the island. Not to mention the Japanese Navy is defending the island so fighting an enemy on the mainland would be rare.

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so many question.

Tried my best to answer (:

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But what if we only chose katana cause it's really strong and sharp, can break bamboo easily and not only because we see it in anime?

Katanas are hardly strong and bamboo is pretty easy to cut. Not break, mind you, but it can be cut with just about any other sharp thing.