Quote from DragonArcherZ

vs Ele? Shadowrath/Magikill IS the fucking deathball pumu.

If they make cycloids, make giants.
Not exactly the most direct way to deal with cycloids but yes they keep cycloids from approaching in certain engagements

Ninja/Mage/Giant with spicing of say some left-over archers and ele struggles to find an answer!
^this is deathball

Pumu says deathball you can deal with, except ninjas (and mages) ARE the key component of it!
Never said they werent.
No one makes giants w/o cycloids
Not true for every player as some people use them in odd ways,
merics are nice supplements as well
Yup, scorps do have dat poison.
But the core of a vE deathball is there!
Sentence is oddly placed here and i would like to point that out to ya as it is also poorly constructed.
Pumu wants to define it as an Order player going full foreigner and massing giants with a few shadows and 1 mage!
Indeed, thats why these words dont exist in any of my posts nor have they ever
I don't understand how much it takes to get this into your head dude.
*Avi Face*

Are you upset Daz?
If so you have no reason to be as i am not disagreeing with you. Where exactly did i specify on what units are a part of deathball hm?
CAN YOU TELL ME THAT? WHERE EXACTLY DID I MISS WHAT I WAS WRITING? OR DO YOU REALLY HAVE NO CAPACITY TO READ THOROUGHLY INTO MY POSTS, AND THEN CHOOSE RATHER TO IMMEDIATELY JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS DAZ?
I AM FULLY AWARE OF WHAT DEATHBALL LOOKS AND PRIMARILY CONSISTS OF BEING ONE OF THE MAIN ELE PLAYERS THAT STILL EXIST. STOP COMING AROUND WHEN I POST TO SAY SOMETHING IGNORANT IF YOU CANNOT SUPPORT IT WITH CONCRETE EVIDENCE OR SAY ANYTHING THAT HAS PERSONAL BIAS IF ITS ONLY TO HELP FIX AN ISSUE FOR THE COMMUNITY. (which is the only reason i usually start posts like this with the occasional selfish post)

What i am saying directly to you DAZ is this... I KNOW how to speak and how to eloquently state every point i have whilst simultaneously taking into account the words of others without bias. Mostly because i am a devil's advocate when it comes to conflict and basic issues. I DARE YOU TO FOLLOW UP MY POST WITH SOME UNEDUCATED REMARK TO ANY SELECTED PHRASE OF YOUR CHOICE. (excuse any redudancy i may or may not have used when typing this i didnt have the opportunity to edit as im waiting for something to become available irl atm)
So please DAZ... Read posts in their entirety and consider the words that you will then process before letting your fingers fly.

EDIT: turns out i had a few extra moments to reread DAZ's post

lol "are you upset" hahahahahaha

The crux of my point: "If so you have no reason to be as i am not disagreeing with you. Where exactly did i specify on what units are a part of deathball hm?"

You said you can deal with deathball, yet you state shadowmassing is a problem for ele :)

Quote from DragonArcherZ

lol "are you upset" hahahahahaha

The crux of my point: "If so you have no reason to be as i am not disagreeing with you. Where exactly did i specify on what units are a part of deathball hm?"

You said you can deal with deathball, yet you state shadowmassing is a problem for ele :)

There was nothing in that quote that states a quantity of units.
I listed both as problems as PURE shadow massing is not the same as Deathball as it includes more units than solely shadows. This is in no way saying that deathball, as I quote DAZ now. "Pumu wants to define it as an Order player going full foreigner and massing giants with a few shadows and 1 mage!"
I give you kudos on this failed attempt to defend your stupidity though as it played out nicely for me as again you seem to have selected a part of my post to respond to instead of considering each and every word i wrote as i included both deathball and shadowmassing in the op and the revised list in a seperate post. By all means though, go ahead and keep at it you'll get there one day.

Make a thread if you want to discuss deathball. Jeez.

Blind Gates' use as offensive would be too obnoxious, Buff the units like Airs that should be offensive and leave Blind Gate as a defensive option and deal with it when ele play is changed enough for defences to work with Blind Gate in the first place instead of Trees.

Just remove tress Honesltly I being serious ele has 4 mages just remove them. in retun miners and earths could be seprate. Or make Tress a giant unit

kekeke

"I listed both as problems as PURE shadow massing is not the same as Deathball as it includes more units than solely shadows."

which makes it more resilient than pure shadowmassing as past 6+ shadowrath value diminishes as cycloids/airs come into play ^-^

I don't get why you're making direct attacks on my stupidity and bolding everything if you're not upset. Answer the logic. If shadow mass is a problem, death mass is a problem.

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kekeke

"I listed both as problems as PURE shadow massing is not the same as Deathball as it includes more units than solely shadows."

which makes it more resilient than pure shadowmassing as past 6+ shadowrath value diminishes as cycloids/airs come into play ^-^

I don't get why you're making direct attacks on my stupidity and bolding everything if you're not upset. Answer the logic. If shadow mass is a problem, death mass is a problem.

Never said i wasnt upset with your posts.
Just stooping to your level briefly to make a point, as most of your posts contribute little to nothing the majority of the time that i review them.
Consider the logic answered.

"If shadow mass is a problem, death **ball is a problem."

Yes it is as i stated numerous times already.

"Which makes it more resilient than pure shadowmassing as past 6+ shadowrath value diminishes as cycloids/airs come into play ^-^"

Logical statement. Cannot say nay to this.

@ChaosmakeuQQ

What are you even?

Quote from PUMU

Never said i wasnt upset with your posts.
Just stooping to your level briefly to make a point, as most of your posts contribute little to nothing the majority of the time that i review them.
Consider the logic answered.

"If shadow mass is a problem, death **ball is a problem."

Yes it is as i stated numerous times already.

"Which makes it more resilient than pure shadowmassing as past 6+ shadowrath value diminishes as cycloids/airs come into play ^-^"

Logical statement. Cannot say nay to this.

@ChaosmakeuQQ

What are you even?

"Just stooping to your level briefly to make a point" lol if you say so

Okay, so if you agree with those 2x statement, then how can you say deathball is counterable with ele.

Quote from PUMU

as most of your posts contribute little to nothing the majority of the time that i review them.

Your last 4 posts or something are just raging at DAZ while shitting out dictionaries to try and mask your stupidity. Don't be so hypocritical.

I think they should just replace blind gate altogether, it has no potential to be anything useful whilst not being too much of a game changing 'unit'. Why not instead do something like a Thunderstorm that stays above an area for about 20 - 30 seconds while shooting out random bolts every now and again, which can do a decent amount of damage + stun in a small area of effect (like half the size of mages blast).

Dont flame me for 'unblanced sho stupid', just trying to spark something.

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Your last 4 posts or something are just raging at DAZ while shitting out dictionaries to try and mask your stupidity. Don't be so hypocritical.
Lol

I think they should just replace blind gate altogether, it has no potential to be anything useful whilst not being too much of a game changing 'unit'. Why not instead do something like a Thunderstorm that stays above an area for about 20 - 30 seconds while shooting out random bolts every now and again, which can do a decent amount of damage + stun in a small area of effect (like half the size of mages blast).

Dont flame me for 'unblanced sho stupid', just trying to spark something.

I'm being a hypocrite by proving myself to be in the right and pointing out to daz that he is taking a select few words or phrases from my posts or manifesting his own in an attempt to cover up his initial error. Please dont join this bandwagon zomar as it shouldve died after i corrected daz the first time. I've asked him time and time again to read posts in their entirety, process them, then respond constructively.


Quoting me gives you no support to your post as i could provide countless times where daz has contributed nothing more than a phrase that is meant to get under the skin of a user or is being playful. In either case, he isnt being constructive.

Not sure what your last sentence is trying to convey as i'm not flaming anyone, but rather proving my points with logic and unbiased opinions with the initial intent of trying to fix a structure that has no practical use as of now defensively or offensively.

Your suggestion sounds interesting to me though. Would it target units that come into its radius?

Edit-Post #16 was me losing my temper and i apologize for this, HOWEVER, my arguments still stand firm.

"I KNOW how to speak and how to eloquently state every point"

which is why you need to write two paragraphs everytime in response to a two liner continuously repeating a state of matter. it's funny because you're so ineloquent i actually don't know what things like "initial error" are and what you corrected xD

"Not sure what your last sentence is trying to convey as i'm not flaming anyone, but rather proving my points with logic and unbiased opinions with the initial intent of trying to fix a structure that has no practical use as of now defensively or offensively."

not evrything bout you mate. he's saying not to flame his idea cause it obviously didn't have much merit to it in terms of balance

"I'm being a hypocrite by proving myself to be in the right and pointing out to daz that he is taking a select few words or phrases from my posts or manifesting his own in an attempt to cover up his initial error. Please dont join this bandwagon zomar as it shouldve died after i corrected daz the first time. I've asked him time and time again to read posts in their entirety, process them, then respond constructively."

and you do that? you seem a bit full of yourself everytime you respond. also you're way too upset lmfao jeez

oh yeah hahaha you haven't answered me on if you agree 2x stment how comes u can deal with deathball :P

I've given this suggestion before (forgotten exact idea) but it was akin to quicksand; enemy units slow while moving in this. Helps ele hit its zone-y spells as well.

It would only target units in the radius, which I assume would be the same size as that of combustion. Its more of a poison flux like ability which can be used defensively, but not to the extent where you can literally stop entire armies from attacking (like poison flux). It wouldn't be that every unit that walks under it gets stunned and damaged though, only if they happen to get hit by lightning, which wouldn't be permanently occurring.

Instead of continuing to go off topic with this im going to stop as im being immature in arguing something that has no merit.
If ya wanna continue we can take it to the pm's.

Deathball for me is dealt with via extreme micro and stall using a technique with v's to counter.

Almost nothing macro based has a direct way of dealing with deathball. With my suggestion, i believe, that it would be possible to open up several oppurtunities for ele to find openings when dealing with it.

The quicksand idea sounds interesting but sounds like shadows will still be able to run through it without entirely crippling their speed and it has the possibility of being shinobi passed.
With thunderstorm and quicksand id need to know what the actual radius of the (things?) would be.

"Deathball for me is dealt with via extreme micro and stall using a technique with v's to counter."

40 archers deals with basically anything as long as you stack units and use extreme micro and my technique kappa and considering ele has a problem with shadowmass...which is a deathball, which is the direct resultant of this thread, I'd call it on-topic.

night

Blind gate is broken like so much of ele. I think some parts of ele need redesigning. Things that could possibly be redisgned in my mind are..

Combinations
Earths morphing into miners
trees
v (thou Massive changes could work)
Waters
Blind gate of course
Structure why ele has 4 mages and 11 units forced into 9 I guess their slots I don't know

I like quick sand idea. I like the cloud idea too and that could be used too but its air+ earth at the end of the day and quick sand is moving earth so I'd go with the quick sand idea.

Also i don't think new unit ideas should be ruled out i don't think evreything can be sorted with just stat changes