Viable Play
Started by: IAMxTheoden | Replies: 21 | Views: 1,794
Jul 14, 2015 4:00 AM #1382594
The only thing that Order players these days play is Spearcher nothing. Its to expensive to pull out an An Albowtross in the first 3 and a half minutes. It's more viable to go Spearcher then slowly get into Marics and Magikill, maybe a Shadowrath hear and there. It's easier to go Eclipsors because they cost less. If you pay close attention, Albowtross do more damage but it's really not worth pulling dem out. With chaos its easier to change strat but with Order if you committing to it, the enemy if skilled enough will be able to see that and conter fast. Same with ShadowTross (see what I did there?)
Jul 14, 2015 4:15 AM #1382598
...what's the point of the post?
Jul 14, 2015 4:33 AM #1382605
Quote from DragonArcherZ...what's the point of the post?
"Viable Play"
Jul 14, 2015 11:48 AM #1382731
Quote from IAMxTheodenIt's easier to go Eclipsors because they cost less.
It's only easier cause I like to move them better than deads, they cost more...
Jul 14, 2015 12:00 PM #1382737
I just found albows to be really fragile from the get go. I never really saw the purpose of using the units unless the opponent is massing spears or shadows.
Deads are my default ranged unit as they are a bit more practical as opposed to wings unless they have little to no archers.
Deads are my default ranged unit as they are a bit more practical as opposed to wings unless they have little to no archers.
Jul 14, 2015 12:03 PM #1382738
I think he means eclippsors are cheaper than albows. The thing is this and I don't regard this as a problem.
Deads and eclippsors have simliar costs and you only have to wait another 20s to make a eclipaor over a dead maybe less.
Deads 300g 100m eclipsors 400g 150m thats a diffrence of 100g 50m which isent a lot considering by the time you make deads you have 1 or 2 miners on mana any way. Thou it's rare to change the unit your produce and generally bad for the chaos player.
Order:
Archers 300g
Albows 450g 200mana
Diffrence 150g 200 mana
That's a massive diffrence you can start the game with a archer but you have to wait 1-3 mins for a albow and if you do you probably will lose and presides archers are quick cheap easy to mass reliable and good DPS and you can get them when ever you like preety much.
The only way to use them is v ele when mid-late game you will get albows knowing theit is no ele counter. Try this v Chaos and it will be a Diffrent story all together
Albows took a huge Nerf when burn was produced they reduced base damage becuase of burn. Before burn blazing bolts gave albows extra damage v arumoured units and they were very useful late game.
Summary
Albows won't be used becuase archers are so good and so cheap. Archers are fine all we could do is reduce training time and mana cost to make switching easier. But as a Chaos player I have to add that Chaos also had a simliar problem in terms of marrowkia
Deads and eclippsors have simliar costs and you only have to wait another 20s to make a eclipaor over a dead maybe less.
Deads 300g 100m eclipsors 400g 150m thats a diffrence of 100g 50m which isent a lot considering by the time you make deads you have 1 or 2 miners on mana any way. Thou it's rare to change the unit your produce and generally bad for the chaos player.
Order:
Archers 300g
Albows 450g 200mana
Diffrence 150g 200 mana
That's a massive diffrence you can start the game with a archer but you have to wait 1-3 mins for a albow and if you do you probably will lose and presides archers are quick cheap easy to mass reliable and good DPS and you can get them when ever you like preety much.
The only way to use them is v ele when mid-late game you will get albows knowing theit is no ele counter. Try this v Chaos and it will be a Diffrent story all together
Albows took a huge Nerf when burn was produced they reduced base damage becuase of burn. Before burn blazing bolts gave albows extra damage v arumoured units and they were very useful late game.
Summary
Albows won't be used becuase archers are so good and so cheap. Archers are fine all we could do is reduce training time and mana cost to make switching easier. But as a Chaos player I have to add that Chaos also had a simliar problem in terms of marrowkia
Jul 14, 2015 12:21 PM #1382742
lol it is pretty simple
if a unit is not used by the general community , it is just bad comparing with other units.
eg . Albows, V, marrowkai , obviously there are better choices(archers, trees, medusa)
There are only two ways to solve this issue
1) make these units more powerful and better(at least comparable to their replacement
2) just don't use them (so that you won't lose lol)
if a unit is not used by the general community , it is just bad comparing with other units.
eg . Albows, V, marrowkai , obviously there are better choices(archers, trees, medusa)
There are only two ways to solve this issue
1) make these units more powerful and better(at least comparable to their replacement
2) just don't use them (so that you won't lose lol)
Jul 14, 2015 2:14 PM #1382756
or nerf the better units thou that wouldn't go down well with the player base
Jul 14, 2015 2:42 PM #1382764
Albows are kinda also useless fighting against chaos because they still have to much cost and you puct time into dem but thats a lot of work and it goes slowly. Other starts like archers work less effectively but flying units are better for fighting ele. Still cost to much and your opponent can see you committing to it and they can counter faster then you can build albows.
Jul 14, 2015 5:25 PM #1382788
The only reason chaos can even bother to go wings is because they get a high economy start whereas order does not, and on top of that, the albow costs more.
Jul 14, 2015 9:48 PM #1382883
Albows are useless at everything.
Jul 14, 2015 10:55 PM #1382902
Quote from THEFORCEAlbows are useless at everything.
Well no, albows with bolts are really strong. There just underestimated and rarely used by pro players since they take too long to train and are pricey.
Jul 15, 2015 12:15 AM #1382928
Quote from HashBrownTrialsWell no, albows with bolts are really strong. There just underestimated and rarely used by pro players since they take too long to train and are pricey.
I thought Pricey was a player. >.>
Pricey is Albowtross confirmed.
Jul 16, 2015 7:19 AM #1383439
I think what he's trying to complain about is how spearcher is a tad too mainstream for Order, and imply there should have a tad more diversity, kind of like chaos. They're fairly linear too in mainstream meta-wise, but at least they have the option of deads and wings.
Jul 16, 2015 8:36 AM #1383453
I think a Chaos player would go deads more than 90% of the time. In fact I haven't seen Wyz not use them for as long as I can remember.