Quote from AsePlayer

I believe if it's like this:

order > chaos < elementals,

it means order is less than chaos, chaos is more than elementals?

Pretty sure that's how it works.

No that just means that chaos is weaker than both lol

You got it mixed up Ase, other way around.

Even if DM were balanced, removing a lot of the micro game and the mid game classic has of two players both struggling to pull the game in their favour whilst having to stream in units and manage an eco makes it utterly boring.

TBH its all good SE is dieing and many noobs (and my self when I started out thou like Pumu I now love the early game and the transitions in to mid and late game)

Weaker player might just want to get to the meaty units that they love. Like the magikill is probably the coolest unit in Order and the best. They might want to play DM to cut out the start game that might be boring or repetitive for them.
Weaker players also might not be able to manage their eco and army and might want to just focus on the army. They have 3000g 1500m to do what they want with it.

In my mind DM was a great move by CJ to keep the fan base alive. While players that have played longer will play classic while weaker players can use their favourite units that they might not get too in Classic. in my mind that why you see 'challenge me to dm in the chat' DM I don't think is digned to be played at a higher level because its not balanced. Order and Chaos are balanced apon the fact Chaos start weak and finishes stronger thou in drawn out games Order will win.

We can all be grateful that DM is brining players in and keeping them playing when the might otherwise throw in the towel because of Classic maybe after 1 or 2 months of Dm they might try Classic.

That's a good thing thou as all balance should be focused on classic how those changes effect DM don't matter. Classic should be balanced let the changes just effect DM don't balance something because of DM.

Thou I think this hateread of DM amongst top players needs to stop as just because you don't like DM doesn't mean that 100 weaker players don't. By weaker I mean less than 1500 I personally prefer Classic I appreciate DM as a different game mode all together

If you had two games, where in one you could spend $5 to start it with a huge advantage, and another one where you couldn't, I think hating the game offering payment for winning would be deserving of hate.

I hate DM because it's pay2win, and I don't play it because it damn boring. DM as you say lewis is good for learning - but it won't teach you much because all the skill is tied to classic anyway.

DM doesn't develop game knowledge. You see a lot of top Classic players jumping into DM and able to perform (I've gone to 2.2k Order like half a year ago+ before I basically collapsed DM), yet a lot of top DM players struggle in Classic because they don't have the game knowledge to supplement them and the sustained mechanics. That's why so many DM mains are 1800-1900.

DM still takes skill just not as much as classic you only need to buy 1-3 extra miners so you do still have to manage Eco abit other wise your wont have enough gold after the intial 3kg 1.5k mana is gone. Death match is easier to play which is why it appeals to weaker plays which I think is a wonderful thing if they want to learn Classic in the future they can. I personaly don't play DM thou I am undefeated ;) (i have only played 6 DM Games) Of course it isent balanced Chaos is better at DM but the weaker players don't know that all they remember is the time when they beat a Chaos player (because he did something stupid like crawler mass in DM (which I have seen no joke) they don't understand Balance they just have fun. The more competative/Stronger DM players might notice something but that begs the question why not play Classic? DM is just fun it shouldn't be taken seriously just enjoyed

DM takes a tiny bit of gameknowledge but nearly no reaction time or macro managing. Sure, it takes a *little* bit of skill, but compared to most classic matchups (those not involving Ele) the skill in competitive DM is negligible.

Also if a (mini)game isn't balanced to the competitive level then it isn't worth having an elo system for.

Best dm player?? Hmmmmmm deez nuts?

Actually elementals is quite absurd in DM because of treatures. On maps castle through desert, you can still treature build with a fire and get a quick W if you pressure right because there's not enough item to wing. Maps ice, forest, and gates don't allow this. 4/7 isn't a good ratio, but it's not 1/2. You can always try to charrog rush on larger maps anyway

Well the only reason eles are so powerful in DM is because of early rush. Don't do that and you can qualify for being fairly skilled in DM, for what it's worth.

do some early rush and air/fire support, getting to 2400 with ele is just easier than washing the face

Quote from mysterybat

do some early rush and air/fire support, getting to 2400 with ele is just easier than wiping my ass

FTFY lol cause eles are dirty

Quote from WyzDM

FTFY lol cause eles are dirty

ya beating ele as chaos is easier than wiping my ass

lol cause chaos is dirty

Quote from TheLegendofKaito

ya beating ele as chaos is easier than wiping my ass

lol cause chaos is dirty

If you're beating eles with chaos in DM it means the eles players aren't utilizing all their tools. Like, any map longer than desert is tough, but it's still doable.

You so called ele mains don't even freakin understand all the stupid abilities eles have. I bet I know more tech than you do and I don't F#$%ing play them.