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Cyber "Violence": Should We Start Censoring the Web

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Oct 3, 2015 10:08 AM #1406811
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Yet somehow they've persisted this far regardless of how loud people are yelling back at them. What's it going to take to actually stop them?


they've got the backing of their journalist friends in the pop media, and all their followers are uneducated zealots and fedora tipping chivalrous white knights who "listen and believe". gamergate's been dragging them slowly off their pedastals for quite some time now, but they don't really have the power to do much other than spread the truth wherever possible. incidentally, hulk hogan's lawsuit against gawker media might end up being the thing that really screws them over. if their media support suddenly goes bankrupt, they'll lose the platform they had to spread their agenda with, and start struggling pretty quickly.

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tangentially related: anita's basically a con artist
Feminist Frequency's videos typically consist of Anita taking (mostly stolen) footage from video games, showing it out of context and criticizing it using her limited understanding of feminism. Since she isn't actually a feminist she has no idea what she's talking about; since she is not an academic (her only degree is in communication and her thesis is laughable) she doesn't have any skills at critical analysis; and since she's not a gamer (as she admitted in lecture in the Santa Monica College in California in early 2010) she can't even find good examples. For instance, game developer Daniel Vavera claims she shot a woman in his game and then lied and said the game forced her to do this.

Most of her criticism comes in the form of cherry-picking and double-binds, wherein no matter what a game does, it's wrong. If a female character is pretty, then she's sexualized, if she's ugly, then it's an insult to women and if she's plain, she isn't a, "strong female character" and so on.

Since there is no real reason to scrutinize the opinions in her videos (this being a scam anyway), let's get to what actually matters:
Despite asking for $6k and receiving over $160,000 for the Feminist Frequency kickstarter, there has been no noticeable improvement in the video's quality. The camera quality is the same, the animation is the same, the production value is the same and it's hard to understand why she would need even six thousand dollars to improve videos where all she does is stand and talk and already has the equipment for anyway since she has been making them for free for several years already (or at least it's hard to understand why anyone would believe that).


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In the end, all that improved in the videos is that she might have gotten a new green screen, some new shirts, several more layers of make up and pocketed the rest of the money. Despite getting over 25 times more money than she was originally scamming people for, Anita was too greedy to spend even an ounce of that money making the videos better.

Of the 12 "Tropes against women in video games" that she promised to discuss in her KickStarter campaign, she has so far covered three and is currently two years behind her final due date with no end or "Backer Rewards" deliveries in sight. All the stupid beta males who were fooled by her now champion her cause even harder to avoid the cognitive dissonance that they feel from the subconscious realization that they had been scammed.
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Oct 3, 2015 11:02 AM #1406816
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Not saying that people don't get bullied online, they do. But it doesn't qualify as "violence", and it doesn't warrant censorship or legal punishment. The people who bullied Zoe Quinn were assholes, and I don't condone what they do. Anyone in her position can just ignore them, or block them on social media.
However, from what I've read they've also intentionally slandered her reputation without legit proof. In which case she can feel free to sue them if it affected her career in any way. There already exist laws for that. It shouldn't extend beyond that.
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Oct 3, 2015 12:16 PM #1406821
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they've got the backing of their journalist friends in the pop media, and all their followers are uneducated zealots and fedora tipping chivalrous white knights who "listen and believe". gamergate's been dragging them slowly off their pedastals for quite some time now, but they don't really have the power to do much other than spread the truth wherever possible. incidentally, hulk hogan's lawsuit against gawker media might end up being the thing that really screws them over. if their media support suddenly goes bankrupt, they'll lose the platform they had to spread their agenda with, and start struggling pretty quickly.

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tangentially related: anita's basically a con artist

More lies. Not quite on the level of taking peoples money, but shows her value as a person.

Feminism was probably created with good intentions by good people. But now I have no idea what the fuck they stands for because the bad apples are creating a stench that is hard to ignore. Just like anything, this movement is corruptible. People will lie to make opportunities (as shown above). They will cherry pick (as shown above). And now censorship (as shown in this thread). And how do they get away with it? By playing the victim card. Female equality? More like female convenience.
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Oct 3, 2015 12:25 PM #1406823
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Not saying that people don't get bullied online, they do. But it doesn't qualify as "violence", and it doesn't warrant censorship or legal punishment. The people who bullied Zoe Quinn were assholes, and I don't condone what they do. Anyone in her position can just ignore them, or block them on social media.
However, from what I've read they've also intentionally slandered her reputation without legit proof. In which case she can feel free to sue them if it affected her career in any way. There already exist laws for that. It shouldn't extend beyond that.


The only reasons to complain about people being mean to you on the internet are if
- there are credible threats involved (in which case you should be complaining to the police)
- you're trying to garner sympathy for whatever reason (in this case, $$$$)
- it's slander which is damaging your business or reputation

Sarkeesian and co. actually profited significantly from their "harassment"; they publicized it widely and made themselves into victims (which is diametrically opposed to what they preach, by the way), before raking in huge amounts of money from sympathetic supporters.

I want to point out that harassment on the internet isn't something that's limited to women, either. Any person who's famous is bound to get hate mail, regardless of gender or race. You think pewdiepie gets nothing but love letters? I highly doubt it. And yet, he doesn't complain about all the mean messages from people who don't like him; he fucking ignores it. So does everybody else in this situation, because nearly everybody on the internet by now is aware of the idea that you shouldn't feed trolls, because it only makes them stronger.

It is possible that Sarkeesian's business/reputation are now being damaged, but not by slander. People are simply starting to realize how much of a scammer she is as the truth spreads. I already quoted the most obvious evidence of this in my previous post, but I assure you we've seen no shortage of additional evidence. You won't see many news articles about it though, because, as I already mentioned, she's being covered for by her friends in the media.
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Oct 3, 2015 12:25 PM #1406824
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Female equality? More like female convenience.
Definitely this.

Back when people were clamoring for gender equality, I read a newspaper article pointing out how women were expecting to be treated like a lady (e.g. being given seats in public transport) while...clamoring for gender equality.

Gender equality for me is "If you want to be treated like a man, then prepare to get hurt like a man." However I've yet to come up with a suitable inversion of this statement.
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Oct 3, 2015 2:13 PM #1406833
I feel that people should be aware of what they are getting into when they go on the internet. If they cannot accept it, don't go on.
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Oct 3, 2015 4:27 PM #1406851
This is getting really idiotic. Anita and Zoe need to shut the fuck up and grow up. Im so sick of seeing them complain over the internet like a couple of small children. They arent ever happy about anything.

As for the whole internet safety, Its the internet. There are barely any rules here, everyone is anonymous. So people do shit over the internet theyd obviously never do in real life. If you dont have the ability to comprehend that no one can physically harm you and this is just cyber, then you shouldnt be on the internet. Simple as that.
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Oct 3, 2015 6:52 PM #1406864
I try to care about this as little as possible because giving them attention only gives them what they want but honestly, fuck these people. Why do people give them money? Why do they give them attention? This kind of shit makes me sad but at the same time I know that they're never gonna get anything done. No matter how much money and how much attention they get, they're still never gonna be able to censor video games, the internet or anything like that. The backlash is just too strong.

Doesn't change the fact that these people are horrible though. Bleh.
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Oct 3, 2015 11:09 PM #1406901
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Hurray for Drone.
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Oct 4, 2015 2:54 AM #1406935
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twitter's new report form, ayy lmao
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Oct 4, 2015 3:05 AM #1406938
They should've left the highlighted bit in its own choice.
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Oct 4, 2015 3:13 AM #1406941
twitter can finally be a place where everyone supports your idea
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Oct 4, 2015 3:33 AM #1406945
here's a good video relevant to the original topic




[edit] tangentially related bullshit http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/24/google-ideas-assembles-the-usual-suspects-to-help-combat-online-abuse/
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Oct 4, 2015 5:12 AM #1406974
This guy puts it together quite nicely. If you are hostile to a group, expect hostility back.

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The priorities of these people are fucked are. A shirt? This man has progressed humanity far more then any radical group of feminists and they are fucken concerned over a shirt? Is there some unwritten law that I am missing here? Is a woman being raped or abused on sleeve or something? I guess he should start wearing a shirt covered with women in full burqas because skin is so offensive now a days. You want to be true feminists? Do something useful and raise awareness for parts of the world where women are being oppressed. But oh no, that would place you at too much personal risk and would ruin your first world life style. Target the low hanging fruit I say. Scratch the itch and ignore the severed limb.

These people are drawing their own conclusions on innocuous things and by screaming it loudly enough they force others to accept their delusion.
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Oct 4, 2015 5:52 AM #1406979
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This guy puts it together quite nicely. If you are hostile to a group, expect hostility back.


The priorities of these people are fucked are. A shirt? This man has progressed humanity far more then any radical group of feminists and they are fucken concerned over a shirt? Is there some unwritten law that I am missing here? Is a woman being raped or abused on sleeve or something? I guess he should start wearing a shirt covered with women in full burqas because skin is so offensive now a days. You want to be true feminists? Do something useful and raise awareness for parts of the world where women are being oppressed. But oh no, that would place you at too much personal risk and would ruin your first world life style. Target the low hanging fruit I say. Scratch the itch and ignore the severed limb.

These people are drawing their own conclusions on innocuous things and by screaming it loudly enough they force others to accept their delusion.


note: 13:37 for the relevant sections of the video

yeah, sargon's pretty good. i find his videos drag on a bit much for me though
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