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If we're talking about getting rid of inactivity, I think that Apex is more suspicious than me than anything.

Haha, maybe it's you we should be worried about.

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If we're talking about getting rid of inactivity, I think that Apex is more suspicious than me than anything.

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Haha, maybe it's you we should be worried about.

Both of you... Give us reasons, explanations and conclusions for your claims please. Finger point for no reason, and I will cast my vote for whichever one of you the rest bandwagon against. Only the Mafia would profit from a half-baked "Hey maybe its HIM but I'm just gonna say it and not expound on it more" philosophy.

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I could see the Mafia wanting to hide in a guise of inactivity and just cruise to lategame below everyone's radars.
That's how people survived my Running the Gauntlet games. Ironically, it's the active players who are trying to win and who aren't afraid of starting conflict who become targeted. The ones who don't play sometimes do better, even though it's a boring strategy.

But even if we do that, I want to actually think our target is mafia before voting them off... unless we're close to the random kill happening. Let's pressure one of those guys then, and then judge based on their reactions.

Edit: To continue that, let me make a judgement of character here. Who out of the inactives would be intelligent enough, but who is also willing to not play the game to win it? I don't think Raptor is one of those guys. If any, I'd have to point this proverbial finger at either Apex or Devi.

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Keep in mind, I'm not gunning for anyone with a passion. If you explain things and say actual reasons for why you simply can't be the Mafia, and it makes sense, I'll drop it in an instant. (This rule also means the accusation against you has to make sense) So with that said, how about some conviction.
Apex, I feel like most have your posts have been deliberate-sounding attempts at skimming under the radar and hiding in the crowd. I understand you haven't been on SP much lately, but that can also easily be a motivation for using that kind of strategy to survive through the rounds. Being active is time consuming. What say you to this?

I'm pretty sure this is what Raptor was basing his suspicions on. This is nothing more than a slightly logically-deduced suspicion. What strategy does the mafia usually play, and who out of those who have been inactive would use that strategy?

I'm kind of disappointed Apex didn't respond to this. His post was just some standard blame deflection without any reasons why he's not the Skrull. He didn't even have reasons for why Raptor would be a Skrull :confused:

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Both of you... Give us reasons, explanations and conclusions for your claims please. Finger point for no reason, and I will cast my vote for whichever one of you the rest bandwagon against. Only the Mafia would profit from a half-baked "Hey maybe its HIM but I'm just gonna say it and not expound on it more" philosophy.

First, people were claiming for me to be one of the more suspicious players simply out of inactivity (or one of the most expendable), so my post was mainly directed towards defending myself and expanding upon the current thoughts that I have kept to myself. Every suspicion I've had has been explained, and anything that I think doesn't necessarily have the best argument I made sure to mention to take it with a grain of salt.

Second, the reason I mentioned Apex I thought was self-explanatory. Besides myself and maybe Devi, Apex is the one that has the least amount of posts in this thread since the game started (keep in mind that this is all based off on the stats that YWJ pasted here two pages ago). More importantly however were the content of his posts; not only did he have a low post count, but all of his posts were purely about "apologies for inactivities or idle chat about the game" as quoted from YWJ. Devi in contrast had started off strongly in Day 1 but plateaued afterwards allegedly due to exams, which at least tells me he has a good reason for his inactivity and shows a willingness to express ideas. I myself have stated that I have in fact been following this game since it started (as proven by my previous few posts) but chose to hold back my thoughts because I did not want to "finger point for no reason."

Thus, objectively, Apex has the least activity out of all the users in this thread so far and has not shown to participate in discussions much, and his most recent post only serves to prove my point. Obviously, the idea of lynching inactive players is that they are suspicious and don't contribute, making them expendable and, theoretically, ideal targets for lynching (I don't 100% agree with this notion, I don't think it's the most sound strategy, but it does make a fair point). So with that said, while I do think Apex is the most inactive player (and I wanted to point out that he was equally suspicious under the same grounds people nominated me to be lynched), I don't necessarily attribute him to be the player we should kill at the end of the day. I merely wanted to state a counterargument and an expansion of a topic. Though I did say that I don't think Apex should by lynched as of now, he should explain his inactivity but more importantly what his thoughts and suspicions for the game are at the moment. Not only would this give us potentially new people discuss about, but it should also get Apex to contribute. And if he doesn't, then I think that raises suspicions on where his alliance lies.

Just posting a check point here.

I see some of the "inactives" have begun to post here. I know some of you are doing this on purpose as part of the strategy, but please refer to my Rule about requiring to post actively.

So I'm going to prod the other people who havent showed up (like devi and Mantha) for the 2nd time or just replace them altogether if this keeps up.

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Just gotta point out, I strongly disagree with this strategy.

That's because you quoted only a part of the plan, and then you pretty much ended up doing my strategy anyways lol.

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And if I'm going to be really honest, I've been suspicious of Nish since Day 1. We were trying to share a consensus in Day 1 and try to keep the discussion in PMs, but I felt that Nish often showed opposition to Exile and spoke out in the open. But, like I said, this is just conjecture, and there are a number of ways to interpret Nish's actions, and I'd have to re-examine the first few pages of the game to re-organize my thoughts.

But Nish was pretty clear that he didn't think people should discuss peoples targets, he only wanted people to contribute, most probably in a similar manner to how we're all discussing ideas now, in fact I feel like we would be in a better situation now if we had this level of activity on D1. Also, what do you mean he showed opposition to Exile? I only skimmed peoples posts, but I didn't see anything of the sort when I tallied peoples activity.

I also don't believe Devour is a skrull for several reasons. First, he replaced someone for inactivity. Lamnitrov is still active in other parts of the forum, which makes me believe that he just wasn't interested in participating, and ergo probably wasn't a skrull. Second, he tried to defend people, which I don't think is something the skrull would do; ideally, he would want to encourage lynching as many avengers as possible and support the mantra of lynching inactives since skrulls will most likely be the active players.

If Skrulls will most likely to be active players why do you keep pointing at Apex's inactivity as a reason of suspicion? Shouldn't we be looking at people like Zero, Nish and myself? Or have I misunderstood something lol.

I also think Zero is an avenger, but that's honestly just a gut feeling if anything. I also think YWJ is an avenger because he went into a realistic depth about what he thought went on at night as an avenger and not a skrull, but that's all I have to base it on.

If we're talking about getting rid of inactivity, I think that Apex is more suspicious than me than anything.

Those seem like pretty weak reasons to find someone unsuspicious, I like to think of myself as someone who is intelligent enough to write in various perspectives lol. Honestly I think it's just a dangerous game of starting to think of people as less suspicious and ruling them out/analyzing their behavior less *looks off into the distance and reminisces about getting schooled by Exile in Arkham Mafia*.

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Second, the reason I mentioned Apex I thought was self-explanatory. Besides myself and maybe Devi, Apex is the one that has the least amount of posts in this thread since the game started (keep in mind that this is all based off on the stats that YWJ pasted here two pages ago). More importantly however were the content of his posts; not only did he have a low post count, but all of his posts were purely about "apologies for inactivities or idle chat about the game" as quoted from YWJ. Devi in contrast had started off strongly in Day 1 but plateaued afterwards allegedly due to exams, which at least tells me he has a good reason for his inactivity and shows a willingness to express ideas. I myself have stated that I have in fact been following this game since it started (as proven by my previous few posts) but chose to hold back my thoughts because I did not want to "finger point for no reason."

WHOA! Lets not be basing a lynch of a one line summary from me as I skimmed through a tonne of pages. That was meant to identify a few inactives and encourage people to go back, look through those peoples posts, and have them formulate their own opinions on those players.



I know there is a fair bit of heat on Raptor and Apex, but really guys, at the moment we're basing our arguments off inactivity and nitpicking their behavior. That's an awesome place to start, and we should have been doing this since D1, but we should all recognize that these are still really weak reasons to lynch someone (it would be much better to use our investigators to see what is what when it comes is sus players then to straight up kill them). That said, our hand is being forced, so if we can't find someone that is actually looking guilty, and we need to kill someone, do we want to kill people with Powers that can be really helpful to us, or someone who's power really doesn't do much?

At the time or writing all this Devi has posted once (and it was useless) in the four days of D3, and losing his power really doesn't hurt us that much. So really, if we're going to kill someone ONLY because of inactivity, shouldn't it be someone who's death hurts the town the least if we get the lynch wrong?

That said, do you all think we should look into the person who was investigated by Coulson?

I'd like to know why Raptor thought that I was speaking against Exile when basically I have ended or begun most of my posts with "I will do anything Exile asks of me".

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Hey guys :) I don't know what's up with any leftover thoughts on Lamitrov, but it seems the previous votes were careful suspicion due to a guy's inactivity. I have no plans on being inactive this game, but if there's any clearing up I need to do then I'll tackle it all.

As I was spectating, I found it odd that everyone was completely stumped for clues and for who to pressure. Disclaimer warning: I'm exercising careful suspicion too to get information and have no actual suspicion yet. Did anyone else find it odd how quickly Mantha bit into Hewitt when her night action might have been missed? I mean, she has a one-time-use only ability, so not using it on the first night wouldn't be weird at all. But still she thought Hewitt was trying to screw her over on purpose and that she would look suspicious. I'm not too familiar with Mafia outside of Town of Salem, but I know how anxious I'd get over the tiniest things that might give me away when I have to play antagonist. Manthur's reaction is similar to that.

I might actually be being retarded here because others may have noticed that too, and they know it's nothing worth wondering about. But either way I'm just curious :)

TBH it wasn't my fault that Hewitt ended the night early, and it'd be pretty unfair if the Avengers didn't benefit from my power just because of that misstep.

Somehow, I thought you were Scarlet Witch at the time and not Quicksilver. So like half of my point is invalid :p
Because I thought you were Scarlet, there was no way you'd use that ability on the 1st turn so I thought you were mad because your kill action didn't go through. Then because of that you'd have to play around the resulting suspicion. Now that I know, it makes a lot more sense and I'm not really worried any more.

Oh boy. Well I suggest writing down the roles on a piece of paper or keep it pasted in a word document somewhere because someone else forgot their power(Xate) and?? It'd be bad if it came down to some serious consequences just because people didn't re-check the first post. My memory isn't that stellar, that's exactly why I keep checking again and don't get confused.

I'll disclose some of my thoughts. Exile can confirm I've used my powers both nights, though I'm not sure how he's been keeping up with the game at all, maybe due to IRL or whatevers.

First of all, I'm not fooled by any of that "in-depth, long posts" stuff because I know how easy it is to bullshit a long essay. I won't be happy with it like some high school teacher would be. For some reason it became a standard for looking innocent. The activity tally can be interpreted in many ways too. I mean Zero's "nuff said" score? How hard would it be to just shitpost? They also say that perpetrators usually meddle with the crime scene THE MOST.

I'm quite honestly baffled as to why Nish is that suspicious? He's been nothing but cooperative since day 1 and his reasons were sound, and he's tried to remain on neutral grounds. I know he's smart enough to play a bad guy while looking good but I have no reason to suspect him right now.

Apex' posts have been... weird and lacking? Give us a theory? A haiku? Anything? Devi sort of disappeared too. :/

I've got my sights set on who I will lynch and I'll wait a bit to see what happens in this thread before I'll declare my decision. We HAVE to lynch in any case.

The compass is turning towards devi, it seems. For inactivity more than anything else. What does Exile think?

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But Nish was pretty clear that he didn't think people should discuss peoples targets, he only wanted people to contribute, most probably in a similar manner to how we're all discussing ideas now, in fact I feel like we would be in a better situation now if we had this level of activity on D1. Also, what do you mean he showed opposition to Exile? I only skimmed peoples posts, but I didn't see anything of the sort when I tallied peoples activity.

I'll have to re-check the first few pages or so, there's a chance I may have misunderstood something like I said before.

If Skrulls will most likely to be active players why do you keep pointing at Apex's inactivity as a reason of suspicion? Shouldn't we be looking at people like Zero, Nish and myself? Or have I misunderstood something lol.

I think you're misunderstanding so let me rephrase myself. When I say Apex is inactive, all I'm doing is posing him as a counterargument as to why people think I should be lynched (inactivity). That doesn't necessarily mean I believe it's the best strategy, to lynch the most inactive ones, because like I said they usually aren't skrulls (I can't remember the last time we lynched someone for being inactive and he/she actually ended up being a mafia). That being said, if he can't participate or provide enough information to the game, I do think that raises suspicions.

Those seem like pretty weak reasons to find someone unsuspicious, I like to think of myself as someone who is intelligent enough to write in various perspectives lol. Honestly I think it's just a dangerous game of starting to think of people as less suspicious and ruling them out/analyzing their behavior less *looks off into the distance and reminisces about getting schooled by Exile in Arkham Mafia*.

Yes, absolutely, and I'm definitely not completely writing them off. I'm mostly just barfing thoughts I've had for the game so far since people were accusing me of inactivity, but I'm also hoping that we can discuss more and how people have been behaving so far.

WHOA! Lets not be basing a lynch of a one line summary from me as I skimmed through a tonne of pages. That was meant to identify a few inactives and encourage people to go back, look through those peoples posts, and have them formulate their own opinions on those players.

See previous segment on lynching. I'm simply pointing out that he has been even more inactive than I have been and has contributed less, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think he should be lynched. But I do think he should be questioned.

At the time or writing all this Devi has posted once (and it was useless) in the four days of D3, and losing his power really doesn't hurt us that much. So really, if we're going to kill someone ONLY because of inactivity, shouldn't it be someone who's death hurts the town the least if we get the lynch wrong?

I think that's the worst-case scenario if we don't have any better ideas.

That said, do you all think we should look into the person who was investigated by Coulson?

Yes.

By the way, why isn't Exile dead yet? Wouldn't the skrulls have killed him already? Or did we use a device on Exile?

But anyway, now with that out of the way, I'll dip my feet back in the discussion.

I will admit that I've been pretty silent the last few rounds, and I see no reason to repeat my reasons for not posting. But when it comes to defending my role, well, not much reason to. My role is pretty useless, it would be useful to use against the skull when we're in a pinch, but by then we won't have many avengers to support and allow my power to be used.

But hey, if you do kill me, I'll just come back the next half of the movie.


I defiantly agree to being suspicious of Apex, while he has been posting, he's been going a bit "in and out" without really saying anything to contribute (Hypocrisy, I know) or more in this case to even defend himself when being questioned and raised for lynching. This trend continuing for pretty much the whole game, save a few posts discussing current events in the game.

Should we choose to lynch him, let's consider the role we are losing if he's an avenger. I'll be completely honest, I think it isn't a very useful role. I know that he has the displace time ability, but that's only once and it's more of holding off the inevitable. I mean, it would be useful to use it for a character that can find out roles, but that depends if we can even trust that person enough in turn. But, still more useful than my role admittedly.

If we are putting him up for lynching, let's just ask him first if he actually has a good/decent reason to him not properly engaging in the discussions. If he doesn't have one... well that's up to you guys.


I would write more right now, but I'm heading to bed in a few minutes. I'll be sure to properly discuss tomorrow.

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By the way, why isn't Exile dead yet? Wouldn't the skrulls have killed him already?

Lets hope the Mafia are stupid enough to waste one entire round killing someone who's role we already know and who has no special abilities except being innocent.

Btw in the last few pages, a major fucking potential disaster has happened because of one of you. You gave away a line of thought that could lead to the Mafia easily winning this if they act fast. I hope they don't pick it up.

@Nish: I'm not sure who did it and what but I suggest you report to Exile about that in private.

Also guys, wtf is with this being depended on Capt?? The only people benefitting from you finding reasons to be inactive are the Skrull, so think about it. You have eyes of your own and heads of your own to think. While consulting with Exile is almost obligatory, there's no reason for you to be like "meh I'm not doing anything because Exile isn't". Despite everything happening IRL, Nish is still posting and still posing questions @ the Captain, even if he hasn't been too active. So stop it with the excuses because you're just looking suspicious. Do what you can, since this is the Avengers vs the Skrull, not Capt America vs the Skrull.

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Haha, maybe it's you we should be worried about.

This might be the only reason I'd vote for Apex. That's the most half-assed response ever. Hello, he suspected you? Why not answer properly or ask more about it?

The only thing stopping me from voting is Raptor. Such a long post (after mine) and not a single response to the question. I will repeat it for you, Raptor. Where exactly did Nish speak up against Exilement? I can't let such a blatantly false statement to be swept under the rug. If you can't defend yourself properly, I'll most likely vote for you.