I'm currently writing a way to fix ele in certain aspects that will fix certain issues when it comes to certain parts of the game that make things a bit stupid. I'm not thinking on my own and am currently taking every detail of the current meta into account.
I'm currently considering each issue that arises when paired with the MU of all 3 empires. Be prepared for this and keep an open mind. I will also be going over how the other two empires can better be changed to create much more flexibility and allow for different playstyles.

I'm using this thread as a notice and space reserve for the time being and have placed this in the general thread as the idea is still in progress and I and the others collaborating are brainstorming on each detail that should gradually balance each empire to create a new feel for the interaction between each of the 3 empires should it be implemented. Iow, doesn't pertain to any specific empire so might as well place for all three in general.

Wish us luck!

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I'm currently writing a way to fix ele in certain aspects that will fix certain issues when it comes to certain parts of the game that make things a bit stupid. I'm not thinking on my own and am currently taking every detail of the current meta into account.
I'm currently considering each issue that arises when paired with the MU of all 3 empires. Be prepared for this and keep an open mind. I will also be going over how the other two empires can better be changed to create much more flexibility and allow for different playstyles.

I'm using this thread as a notice and space reserve for the time being and have placed this in the general thread as the idea is still in progress and I and the others collaborating are brainstorming on each detail that should gradually balance each empire to create a new feel for the interaction between each of the 3 empires should it be implemented. Iow, doesn't pertain to any specific empire so might as well place for all three in general.

Wish us luck!

You send me the doc?

Oh gawd pls not another thread like this, goshdarnit.

Cmon wyz. You should be an advocate for this as opposed to wanting shut it down entirely. Ele needs a fixing in numerous areas, not to mention, several nuances about order and chaos that could use changing as well that'd provide better gameplay in general or more options to choose from instead of the same exact macro comp everytime from a binary mu like OvO. i knew you would respond to my post with that as soon as i mentioned ele. It has to be addressed. We can't sit idly by and allow something new to the game go untapped for others to see its potential and/or not give it the light of day. Ele is one of my preferred empires and one of the least seen around SE in general due to a lack of knowledge from the community regarding it. I could list countless users that gave it a go and gave up with it because they refused to try to see how one could play ele without massing. The ability to combine units gives it so much flexibility for any situation, which is a HUGE benefit of being the way it is. Not your cup of tea? Oh well. It still is a thing in the game, a very big thing that I'll make sure becomes much more present in this game as well as several things for order and chaos.

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Oh gawd pls not another thread like this, goshdarnit.

I was expecting something interesting. Got another clickbait title and not much else out of this.
Skimmed, not interested.

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Cmon wyz. You should be an advocate for this as opposed to wanting shut it down entirely. Ele needs a fixing in numerous areas, not to mention, several nuances about order and chaos that could use changing as well that'd provide better gameplay in general or more options to choose from instead of the same exact macro comp everytime from a binary mu like OvO. i knew you would respond to my post with that as soon as i mentioned ele. It has to be addressed. We can't sit idly by and allow something new to the game go untapped for others to see its potential and/or not give it the light of day. Ele is one of my preferred empires and one of the least seen around SE in general due to a lack of knowledge from the community regarding it. I could list countless users that gave it a go and gave up with it because they refused to try to see how one could play ele without massing. The ability to combine units gives it so much flexibility for any situation, which is a HUGE benefit of being the way it is. Not your cup of tea? Oh well. It still is a thing in the game, a very big thing that I'll make sure becomes much more present in this game as well as several things for order and chaos.

Fact is its all in vain because devs never read/give a shit about any of this, and people have made these threads a hundred times already. No point in doing it again.

EDIT: You say 'not many people play it' but then you say it's 'a very big thing that I'll make sure becomes much more present'. How will you do that..

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Fact is its all in vain because devs never read/give a shit about any of this, and people have made these threads a hundred times already. No point in doing it again.

EDIT: You say 'not many people play it' but then you say it's 'a very big thing that I'll make sure becomes much more present'. How will you do that..

They have been working on other things, I doubt they have touched SE in recent months.

gonna be honest in this one, I agree with the above comments, making this type of threads won't help anything.

btw I have talked with CJ two weeks ago, and we discussed about new updates of SE .

So I already noticed the information about next updates , there will be a bunch of updates that may possibly change most current SE metas.
And CJ told me they are still focusing on Legacy and other things , the new updates will only come after those things are done

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I was expecting something interesting. Got another clickbait title and not much else out of this.
Skimmed, not interested.

Why did you post then? Just to say something useless?

@zomar
The reason I am still trying is to prevent all the bitching and complaining about each new thing that is brought up that people tend to gripe about. It makes more sense to acknowledge an issue that it does to not say anything. It's similar to a situation where a child is hungry. If he moans and doesn't make his needs known through words; many interpretations can result or none at all. The possibility of change is why I'm looking through every single page regarding any issue I can find and bringing it a collaborative pool where I can think in depth about how changes can be implemented. Thus, making the devs job a lot easier. The less effort they put in for the money the better, no?
To answer your question, the changes are not just for ele. They will pertain to order and chaos as well. I cannot persuade someone to use ele however I can suggest changes for each empire that can't go unnoticed. I made a thread like this noticed by simply using a bait title. Lol.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee but the simple fact that it is a possibility is why I'm willing to give it a shot.
Pessimism gets nothing done. Rain doesn't want any changes for the game at all apparently since he skimmed the post and spotted only key words in my OP so this will most likely take him by surprise if I manage to provide enough concrete evidence to support my claims and also provide constructive suggestions to fix any issues that may be in the game at this present moment. Should be easier to fix already present factors as opposed to introducing an entirely new concept.

Just saw mysterys post:

gonna be honest in this one, I agree with the above comments, making this type of threads won't help anything. its ok that y'all disagree with my post being a thing as your own personal opinions don't really matter. Thank you for voicing them though as it provides me with the knowledge that you find threads like this unhelpful. It enlightens me to your views or in another word I would use would be perspective on the matter.

btw I have talked with CJ two weeks ago, and we discussed about new updates of SE
Would you mind sharing what the possibilities are as they may not address what we have to say about all three empires.

So I already noticed the information about next updates , there will be a bunch of updates that may possibly change most current SE metas. like what?
And CJ told me they are still focusing on Legacy and other things , the new updates will only come after those things are done this is perfectly fine with myself and presumably others (I can't speak for others. :3) It still is worth mentioning issues and possible changes that should or need to be addressed. I'm going forth with our plan as I had previously planned and will be sharing it here in this thread once it is complete.

Thid is all in vain without a continual feedback loop and further tweaks from the devs. Ele is SO unlike Order and Chaos and will need significant restructuring to bring the gameplay in line with response and variable macro in the match up that even the best players won't be able to predict the impact of even a few major changes to Ele in advance. You can't rebalance something in a single go - it's an art not a science.

Now if your chats with CJ suggest this will be able to happen great - give him some good ideas but remember that they will certainly need tweaking further down the road.

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Why did you post then? Just to say something useless?

@zomar
The reason I am still trying is to prevent all the bitching and complaining about each new thing that is brought up that people tend to gripe about. It makes more sense to acknowledge an issue that it does to not say anything. It's similar to a situation where a child is hungry. If he moans and doesn't make his needs known through words; many interpretations can result or none at all. The possibility of change is why I'm looking through every single page regarding any issue I can find and bringing it a collaborative pool where I can think in depth about how changes can be implemented. Thus, making the devs job a lot easier. The less effort they put in for the money the better, no?
To answer your question, the changes are not just for ele. They will pertain to order and chaos as well. I cannot persuade someone to use ele however I can suggest changes for each empire that can't go unnoticed. I made a thread like this noticed by simply using a bait title. Lol.

I'm not saying it's a guarantee but the simple fact that it is a possibility is why I'm willing to give it a shot.
Pessimism gets nothing done. Rain doesn't want any changes for the game at all apparently since he skimmed the post and spotted only key words in my OP so this will most likely take him by surprise if I manage to provide enough concrete evidence to support my claims and also provide constructive suggestions to fix any issues that may be in the game at this present moment. Should be easier to fix already present factors as opposed to introducing an entirely new concept.

Just saw mysterys post:

gonna be honest in this one, I agree with the above comments, making this type of threads won't help anything. its ok that y'all disagree with my post being a thing as your own personal opinions don't really matter. Thank you for voicing them though as it provides me with the knowledge that you find threads like this unhelpful. It enlightens me to your views or in another word I would use would be perspective on the matter.

btw I have talked with CJ two weeks ago, and we discussed about new updates of SE
Would you mind sharing what the possibilities are as they may not address what we have to say about all three empires.

So I already noticed the information about next updates , there will be a bunch of updates that may possibly change most current SE metas. like what?
And CJ told me they are still focusing on Legacy and other things , the new updates will only come after those things are done this is perfectly fine with myself and presumably others (I can't speak for others. :3) It still is worth mentioning issues and possible changes that should or need to be addressed. I'm going forth with our plan as I had previously planned and will be sharing it here in this thread once it is complete.

well, I think discussing about new updates/ changes need to be implemented, and voicing out your opinions is good.

But.. But.... the main point is "if anyone will listen to it", and if your suggestions will be taken into consideration .
Like, even if you mention very good points/suggestions, but if they are not noticed by the devs, then it won't help ... you understand my point?

And seriously, devs don't spend their time to lurk through the forum and take a look on all these things.
The best way to voice out your opinion and ask for a change is to meet CJ directly on SE and try to talk with him.

Also, for the new updates, I don't want to expose the details of possible updates as they have not yet be implemented and are subject to more changes
I can just say , all three empires will get updates, including sword/spear/albow, crawler/ dead(possible), cycloid

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Thid is all in vain without a continual feedback loop and further tweaks from the devs. Ele is SO unlike Order and Chaos and will need significant restructuring to bring the gameplay in line with response and variable macro in the match up that even the best players won't be able to predict the impact of even a few major changes to Ele in advance. You can't rebalance something in a single go - it's an art not a science.

Now if your chats with CJ suggest this will be able to happen great - give him some good ideas but remember that they will certainly need tweaking further down the road.

Exactly what i am saying. The devs will at least have the ability to see something that has been discussed as opposed to something that isn't thought out and/or not written at all.

I'm using prior game knowledge of each MU when determining suggestions that are reasonable that would only modify the game in aspects that would change what has been already in the game. Providing little to no new subjects that would throw the game off entirely. Each empire differs from each other in entirety. Bombs and marrows have abilities that are very unique to their own. same with merics. Ele has 4 base units to choose from. Much less than the order or chaos player but has the ability to conform as it goes along with each situation. The base units follow similar mechanics in certain aspects but differ from them in the same breath. Earth has stun. A very unique ability since ele lacks a melee unit early on that doesn't double as its only source of economy. Water, only healing unit that has no passive heal unlike regen for chaos or merics for order. Airs can't even kite XD. Fires have burn but are still just ranged units in the end. Trees compensate for the lack of cost effective melee units. Charrogs are your tanks but are costly as they take away damage that you could have kept for ranged support and if it dies, too bad. Infernoes. Very vulnerable to attack but still very powerful with proper spacing running numbers of these costs ranged units and can simply be shinobi'd or rushed down carefully without support. V is very glass cannon and requires each base unit of a healer, a stunning miner, and two ranged units to create for the full control of units if you can sneak them in without threat of response. A very powerful glass cannon in all. Cycloids, for support and anti-air since ele range is so little compared to that of order and chaos. Blind gate... Poor blind gate. Scorch costs a ranged unit and heal potential to clap low tier units; not much use elsewhere unless you can sneak it under an opponent that is unaware with wings.

Thank you for understanding mystery. That's all I made this thread for and the moment I mentioned ele as being a part of change people were apprehensive. I want people to not have to complain about ele by changing what each empire is capable of as well as change up some features for each that would provide general flexibility for each of the three.

I am willing to sacrifice my time out of my day to help people and make things better for people. This is my main drive for doing this and responding to others that otherwise don't deserve it. I want everyone to reach a compromise through whatever means that I can. Complaining but not wanting change is the dumbest thing I've seen this week. Irl and here but that's personal stuff so... :3

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Exactly what i am saying. The devs will at least have the ability to see something that has been discussed as opposed to something that isn't thought out and/or not written at all.

I'm using prior game knowledge of each MU when determining suggestions that are reasonable that would only modify the game in aspects that would change what has been already in the game. Providing little to no new subjects that would throw the game off entirely. Each empire differs from each other in entirety. Bombs and marrows have abilities that are very unique to their own. same with merics. Ele has 4 base units to choose from. Much less than the order or chaos player but has the ability to conform as it goes along with each situation. The base units follow similar mechanics in certain aspects but differ from them in the same breath. Earth has stun. A very unique ability since ele lacks a melee unit early on that doesn't double as its only source of economy. Water, only healing unit that has no passive heal unlike regen for chaos or merics for order. Airs can't even kite XD. Fires have burn but are still just ranged units in the end. Trees compensate for the lack of cost effective melee units. Charrogs are your tanks but are costly as they take away damage that you could have kept for ranged support and if it dies, too bad. Infernoes. Very vulnerable to attack but still very powerful with proper spacing running numbers of these costs ranged units and can simply be shinobi'd or rushed down carefully without support. V is very glass cannon and requires each base unit of a healer, a stunning miner, and two ranged units to create for the full control of units if you can sneak them in without threat of response. A very powerful glass cannon in all. Cycloids, for support and anti-air since ele range is so little compared to that of order and chaos. Blind gate... Poor blind gate. Scorch costs a ranged unit and heal potential to clap low tier units; not much use elsewhere unless you can sneak it under an opponent that is unaware with wings.

Thank you for understanding mystery. That's all I made this thread for and the moment I mentioned ele as being a part of change people were apprehensive. I want people to not have to complain about ele by changing what each empire is capable of as well as change up some features for each that would provide general flexibility for each of the three.

I am willing to sacrifice my time out of my day to help people and make things better for people. This is my main drive for doing this and responding to others that otherwise don't deserve it. I want everyone to reach a compromise through whatever means that I can. Complaining but not wanting change is the dumbest thing I've seen this week. Irl and here but that's personal stuff so... :3

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is it?