They doubted my defense Genji on Temple of Anubis the other night. Fuckers never even got a tick on point A.

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Good ol' Genji, Use him right for the right people and you may accomplish your goal.

Lol that isn't really the part of Arch's post you should be pickin' out.

He doesn't play support at all, so he has literally no idea how fucked you can be sitting right next to your own team.
When your own team wont protect their healer, it's the worst thing in overwatch.

With a body shot shuriken throw, melee and then his massively powerful dash which he always saves for an insta-kill he can easily take down anyone with a 200 health pool.
What he should have said is "Genji SHOULDN'T be able to do shit to you if you stand next to your tank."

But the truth is that I'm just as likely to end up getting a tank player that doesn't pay any fucking attention what so ever. Again, Arch would know nothing about this and what it's like. As he's only played support for like an hour tops.


It's like when I'm moving with the team and I hear a Tracer, unlike Genji she's not very fuckin' quiet either "Tap tap tap FWOOOOSH-WISHHHH tap tap DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA"
But my tanks are utterly fucking oblivious sometimes, so Tracer just keeps running straight into my team over and over and over going straight for me. I'm helpless, it literally wouldn't matter if I switched my support character. I can't switch off, because then we'll have no support at all.

If the team I'm supporting is paying fucking attention, then yes, generally right next to my team is a safer place for the healer. But that's a massive presumption.

While I haven't played support, I've played against enough supports to know that the hard ones to kill are usually the ones sitting next to a Reinhardt. Truthfully, it doesn't matter too much who the support is next to, because chances are the am is going to freak out, shoot at me, and I'm going to deflect it all right at the support anyway. Genji is sort of built to kill supports. I would also like to point out, that it takes three headshots from Genji's left click to put someone's hp in the area to clean them up with the left shift. Lucio is the hardest support to kill, as he can heal and fight off Genji at the same time, so it's actually a battle between the two. Mercy on the other hand, has her shift which helps her out a lot, but she's probably the easier of the two to kill. Zenyatta doesn't have too much trouble whatsoever if he sees Genji coming, and Ana is just whatever. It all depends on if she hits her sleep dart or not. Genji vs Symmetra is not a thing.

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While I haven't played support, I've played against enough supports to know that the hard ones to kill are usually the ones sitting next to a Reinhardt. Truthfully, it doesn't matter too much who the support is next to, because chances are the am is going to freak out, shoot at me, and I'm going to deflect it all right at the support anyway. Genji is sort of built to kill supports. I would also like to point out, that it takes three headshots from Genji's left click to put someone's hp in the area to clean them up with the left shift. Lucio is the hardest support to kill, as he can heal and fight off Genji at the same time, so it's actually a battle between the two. Mercy on the other hand, has her shift which helps her out a lot, but she's probably the easier of the two to kill. Zenyatta doesn't have too much trouble whatsoever if he sees Genji coming, and Ana is just whatever. It all depends on if she hits her sleep dart or not. Genji vs Symmetra is not a thing.

It makes sense that the ninja character would be good at assassination. His gimmick matches up with his character.

My point was that as support, you're never safe. Never assume you're safe.
Because supports are the very first thing you want to kill in a team fight. When you're support you're in a whole other bracket of priority over everyone else.

Lucio is just plain the best in terms of survivability when it comes to supports. His movements in conjunction with the way his healing works make him harder to kill than all the other supports. But you'd be surprised how often I see Genji's ultslash+dash and kill me in 2 seconds if my team allows him to be on top of us. The pressure doesn't appear to be on Genji to play well, so much as it's on my team to not play badly. Genji can also take advantage of how slow Lucios healing is and easily secure kills on him with a left shift. It's really obnoxious actually.
Mercy, I don't play her a lot and I suck as her. But I know she isn't very good at surviving those assassin characters.
Zenyatta can be a gangster G, but I consider Genji to have the advantage in a duel against him. If Genji gets dropped by Zen, it's his fault.
Ana, did you hit sleep dart? Because if you didn't Genji just killed you most likely.
Symmetra, yeah she isn't actually fucking support, so fuck symmetra.

I'm just a humble Reaper player/spammer, nothing to see here.

This Kinda Sums everything up about Overwatch

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I'm just a humble Reaper player/spammer, nothing to see here.

Not very humble if you spam, now arent you?

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Not very humble if you spam, now arent you?

Are you suggesting that spammers cannot be humble? I am offended sir!

(Have a death blossom)

It's finally here, took me a while to finish heh. Some of the footage is pre-buff too, you can tell if the scene has an ammo capacity of 8 instead of 10. But enough about the video, I'm gonna break Ana down for you guys right now.

What is Ana? Ana is a secondary sniper support.


Quick pros and cons:

Pros+:
1)High skill roof/Satisfying to play/Unique
2)Only anti-heal and sleep mechanics in the game
3)Whole kit works well with itself
4)Best support duelist

Cons-:
1)Hardest support to play
2)Easily rushed on
3)Very team reliant
4)Community hates her/She's a scape goat

Skills:
Left click Biotic rifle: A projectile weapon with a very reasonable attack speed, since buff. 80 damage/healing per hit with no head shots, means you wont really be doing a lot of sniping. It will take multiple hits in a row to end most enemies.

Right click Scope: Turns Ana's left click into hitscan rather than the projectile, great for finishing off escaping targets. But again you wont really be doing a lot of sniping, since if any teammate is inside of the blue triangular reticle while scoping they'll absorb the shot automatically.

E Biotic grenade: Splash weapon, damages and makes it so any enemy hit by it cannot heal. It also heals you or any allies splashed by it. As the only anti-heals in the game, Biotic grenade makes it so Ana can potentially be a nightmare for any composition reliant on constant heals. Like roadhog/lucio/soldier etc. Unlike other grenades, this one can be thrown across the entire map, provided your aim is good.

Shift Sleeper dart: Potentially the best shift ability in the game but totally skill reliant. If you're looking for it, there's almost always a way to flip a battle on its head by landing a sleeper dart. Anyone hit by the dart sleeps for a quick minute and wakes up in 0.5 seconds upon receiving damage.

Q Nano boost: This ability is fucking amazing. You apply the nano boost to one target teammate, the recipient is granted a boon of +50% attack speed, +50% damage reduction and +30% movement speed! This ultimate also charges quickly compared to other supports. Best used for taking checkpoints or clutching the win out.


Pros and cons in-depth:
Pros+:
1) Ana is skill based, you don't get a lot for free with this hero. Accuracy will be your biggest test as Ana, since getting value out of each of her main skills is entirely reliant on this. Because of this and how unique the hero is, victories and sweet plays as her are more satisfying than any other support's in this game.

2) I cannot stress enough the value of this characters Biotic grenade and Sleeper darts. Which are mechanics that this character has and other characters do not. If you haven't seen the value, then you must've missed the video above this post.

3) Her whole kit works really well with itself, if you land a Sleeper dart you can E+LMB+Meleex2 and take out most characters with 200 health pools. It's not uncommon during a team fight to utilize every single mechanic this character has.

4) Ana is an amazing duelist, capable of absolutely insane 1v1 turnarounds. But really it all comes down to one thing, did you land your shots? Because if you're missing important shit like her sleeper dart, you're ass is grass. But at least she has these mechanics to work with, which makes her feel a lot less helpless than the other supports in those situations.


Cons-:

1.B) Ana is the most skill based support, in my opinion. You can disagree, but you're probably incorrect. Her positioning, her timing and her aiming all have to be on point every time you want to win with her. This isn't like picking Lucio, gluing your ass to the payload and riding out an easy win on 3-4 gold medals. Easy wins DO happen as Ana, but much less than each of the other supports.

2) This one is self explanatory, but I'll talk about it anyways since blind rushes are the bane of Ana. Characters like Genji can have an insultingly easy time getting in on and killing squishy supports like Ana. Without mobility her first and often only line of defense comes down to "Did you hit the sleeper dart?" Because you've only got one chance and if you miss, heroes like Genji will are pretty much guaranteed to kill you on the spot.

3) This goes hand in hand with the above. Ana is extremely team reliant, but so is any support really. When you're slayers are getting out slayed, your tanks aren't protecting and the only one that's having a decent game is you? You can count on reading "defeat" at the end of the game and then getting blamed for it. Which brings us too..

4) The community hates her. You never know when you're going to get someone who is automatically negative for no reason other than that you selected Ana. Looking for any excuse at all to be an asshole to you, usually over how badly THEY'RE playing. You can count on many of your defeats being entirely blamed on you, by ignorant assholes that have no idea how to play Ana themselves, her value or what you've actually done that match.


Matchups:

Who to go against:
Roadhog: Sure if he lands a bullshit hook+left click combo you'll be erased, but so will any support. Ana out ranges Roadhog, consistently landing left click shots on him can annoy him to death when combined with Ana's ability to shut down roadhog's heals. Your sleeper dart can counter Roadhogs ultimate in every conceivable way, just don't miss...

Reinhardt: Again, if he's close to you he'll probably kill you. Luckily you out range him and can kite. Wait until his shield is down and splash him with anti-heals. If he ults your teammates or is about to ult you, he'll have to drop his shield. That's when you can sleeper him very easily, you can actually sleeper him at the same time that he ults you and get up before he does.

Bastion/Torb: Easy stationary targets allow you to abuse the range on your Biotic rifle. The anti heals Ana has are inherently good against Bastion and a Torb that may be looking to pick up health while his turret protects his cowardly ass. Not to mention her ultimate is already stellar for smashing defenses.

Other supports especially Lucio: Ana's ability to inflict anti-healing can make other supports cry real tears, as splashing it onto their heal targets can make them feel useless. Lucio's survivability being largely dependent on the fact that he's constantly self healing makes him a great target for biotic grenade. Usually if you stop his self heals your team can take him down quickly.
As Ana, try to remove an enemy support from the equation during team fights.

Neutral matchups:
Pharah: If you're aim is great you can pop her out of the air, if it isn't you can expect 4 rocket splashes/2 direct rockets to end you. Ana can counter Pharah's ultimate, JUST DON'T MISS. This match-up can go good or bad depending on team compositions.

Mccree: If he's close to you, your only chance is to juke his flashbang. Likewise he has to juke your sleeper dart or he's dead. Obviously sleeper dart takes more skill to land than Mccrees flash bang. But with the combination of Ana's ability to heal herself and damage Mccree at the same time and the fact that supports are often near teammates balances it out a bit. Again Ana can absolutely counter Mccree's ult, JUST DON'T MISS.

Reaper: If Reaper closes in, you gotta hit the dart or he's going to miss seven shots and then insta kill you with his last one. At close range Ana has nothing against Reaper, but she can dominate him mid to long. Oh did I mention, Ana can counter reapers ult, JUST DON'T MISS.

Winston: What do I say? He can jump right on you from long range, drop a shield which blocks everything you have. He doesn't have to aim, he holds down left click and spams jump because he knows you have to have skill and he doesn't. If you're about to kill him he can panic Q. But even in his ultimate, he's an easy dart target and landing the dart will pretty much guarantee his death.
This match-up can go good or bad depending on team compositions.

Bad matchups:
Genji: The most obvious pick into Ana, but doesn't flat out counter her depending on composition. If his ultimate is up and he doesn't get Ana, then the Genji player is either useless or the Ana player is really good. It's brain dead easy to click Q and hold left click while mashing space bar as Genji. It's even easier that he can destroy Ana in a second with his slash-dash combination. Even without his ultimate, Genji finds himself having a much easier time against Ana than anyone else.
He's harder to shoot than everyone but tracer, with his mobility/reflect mechanics. His dash can secure quick kills on Ana even without his ultimate. You should never be surprised to see Genji blitzing you while your team is trying their hardest to kill him and they still fail and Genji STILL gets you. Don't miss your fuckin' sleep dart on this guy.

Tracer: Goes without saying, she just spams her dash mechanics and she'll be hard to hit. All you've really got to reliably hit her is dropping a heal/anti-heal grenade at your feet and hoping your team cleans her up. Probably not though, she'll most likely click E and then a second later be right on top of you again, ball parking her smg shots while you have to aim for real. Not fun.

Meka Dva: Meka only, little DVA herself is actually very easy for Ana to deal with. But the Meka is what causes problems, defense matrix is always up and stops your whole kit. The transition from Meka to little makes it so she's not the best sleep target in that form, since you're not guaranteed to get the kill. Anti-heals work well against her, but only if she gets caught. Her thrusters and weapon make it very easy for her to charge right at you and potentially take you out at the cost of her Meka suit. Ana is a big target for Dva's ult too, since it's been made super easy to use.

TL;DR: Avoid picking her against rush compositions like Genji+Tracer+Lucio+Winston+Dva+Pharah, even if your team is good a composition like that will most likely be able to jump right on you and target you specifically. A lot of her match-ups come down to actually landing your hits with her, which is nice because it makes you feel deserving when you succeed.

Jeez, I actually found that really helpful and insightful. Great guide.
Despite that, I do disagree with you on Symmetra. I think she is a partial support with defense as a primary goal. :rolleyes:

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Jeez, I actually found that really helpful and insightful. Great guide.
Despite that, I do disagree with you on Symmetra. I think she is a partial support with defense as a primary goal. :rolleyes:

I'm sorry if it came across as insulting, if you really like Symmetra.
Calling her a support is in my opinion a misnomer. I would classify her as a defensive hero specifically.

Torbs shields are stronger than hers three times over and symmetra has worse turrets, yet Torb isn't considered support. The only saving grace is her teleporter which doesn't amount to a lot in the current meta. Since it's pretty easy to locate it and spam a fuck ton of damage in there and I'd much rather have anyone else's ultimate ready for teamfighting anyways.

Here's why she's not a support to me. Let's say you're staring at the character select screen, you already have a team of 2 tanks, 2 flankers and a sniper. Let's say Roadhog+Winston+Reaper+Mccree+Widowmaker. You would NOT, as a support player with victory in mind, pick Symmetra. You wouldn't say "We need a support! I know, I'll pick Symmetra!"
When your team is pinned down and your dinky 25 damage shields get peeled away like a sunburn. What will Symmetra be doing to help her team? Nothing, she'll be setting up her shit and waiting for someone to get close enough for her to hold down left click. Even if her teleporter is set up, it's based on the predication that people will be dying, that you'll be losing the battle. While real support heroes are dedicated to making sure the battle isn't lost to begin with, or Mercy who is a giant reset button.

You could even get away with selecting a secondary healer like Ana or Zenyatta in that sixth slot, just so long as it's someone that heals. Speaking of which, Symmetra is a terrible pick on any team composition that has Ana or Zenyatta. Since they're secondary healers, Symmetra would be taking up that other support slot that absolutely should be used by another healer.

Sure occasionally you'll get that great Symmetra game, where she's impossible to deal with and you cheese out the enemy team. But usually you just lose when you get her.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if you consider her a support. She doesn't bring a lot to the table compared to the other selections, so much so that in my opinion she isn't even in contention for a support slot on a team right now. She's in that Torb/Mei/Bastion defensive slot.

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I'm sorry if it came across as insulting, if you really like Symmetra.
Calling her a support is in my opinion a misnomer. I would classify her as a defensive hero specifically.

Torbs shields are stronger than hers three times over and symmetra has worse turrets, yet Torb isn't considered support. The only saving grace is her teleporter which doesn't amount to a lot in the current meta. Since it's pretty easy to locate it and spam a fuck ton of damage in there and I'd much rather have anyone else's ultimate ready for teamfighting anyways.

Here's why she's not a support to me. Let's say you're staring at the character select screen, you already have a team of 2 tanks, 2 flankers and a sniper. Let's say Roadhog+Winston+Reaper+Mccree+Widowmaker. You would NOT, as a support player with victory in mind, pick Symmetra. You wouldn't say "We need a support! I know, I'll pick Symmetra!"
When your team is pinned down and your dinky 25 damage shields get peeled away like a sunburn. What will Symmetra be doing to help her team? Nothing, she'll be setting up her shit and waiting for someone to get close enough for her to hold down left click. Even if her teleporter is set up, it's based on the predication that people will be dying, that you'll be losing the battle. While real support heroes are dedicated to making sure the battle isn't lost to begin with, or Mercy who is a giant reset button.

You could even get away with selecting a secondary healer like Ana or Zenyatta in that sixth slot, just so long as it's someone that heals. Speaking of which, Symmetra is a terrible pick on any team composition that has Ana or Zenyatta. Since they're secondary healers, Symmetra would be taking up that other support slot that absolutely should be used by another healer.

Sure occasionally you'll get that great Symmetra game, where she's impossible to deal with and you cheese out the enemy team. But usually you just lose when you get her.

I guess what I'm saying is, even if you consider her a support. She doesn't bring a lot to the table compared to the other selections, so much so that in my opinion she isn't even in contention for a support slot on a team right now.

I could say the same for your fanaticism with Ana.



I rest my case. :D

In all seriousness, you're definitely right for most of what you said. But Symmetra DOES, in my opinion, play a strong role against certain heroes, espicially on defense, in ways other heroes can't match. This makes her a viable and valuable pick for me in certain situations. Just for the record, I don't "main" Symmetra, as no one should.

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I rest my case. :D

I could post a video of anyone doing well with any hero, it wont automatically discredit what the other person has said.

Even I've gotten a triple kill on symmetra.

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I could post a video of anyone doing well with any hero, it wont discredit what the other person has said.

I think you missed an edit of mine m8. To clarify, that part of it was a joke, as you obviously missed. Not to be harsh, but going defensive (heh, puns) on this matter wasn't something I intended either of us to jump into.

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I think you missed an edit of mine m8. To clarify, that part of it was a joke, as you obviously missed. Not to be harsh, but going defensive (heh, puns) on this matter wasn't something I intended either of us to jump into.

I getcha man, I was just in writing mode after making my big post. My intention isn't aggressive or to prove you wrong. I just wanted to explain precisely why I don't consider Symmetra a support.

She can be fine defensively, but I don't even see her as a support. I think blizzard put her in the wrong category all together.