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Sooo...just read up on your char. I like the changes.

Now, Impulse would fall under one of the categories of things to which Altaer would be immune.

The Qi Crystal weps (to which I assume you were referring when you mentioned the spear) would be a different story.

These would likely have an interesting effect -- namely, they would work only if used second hand. Altaer's own Qi would be so unstable as to be entirely unusable in and of itself. If he was fought using the Qi of someone/something else, that Qi would be able to work only in is Endochaoic state. His Exochaotic state would be immune to those weps.

THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS I MISCLARIFIED AGAIN WTF!
Ok so first off;
Impulse goes through EVERYTHING except ENERGY. EVERYTHING. And you never said Shadite or Abysium was ENERGY, just PHYSICAL MATTER.
Second, the qi weapons do NOT attack one's qi. They attack the physical body, like a normal weapon. It is like if Zalgo made a spear and stabbed Caterpillar Altaer in the plate joint. Would that deal damage? Just saying, unless I've misclarified. In which case sorry, because you might have thought about these weapons differently.

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THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE UNLESS I MISCLARIFIED AGAIN WTF!
Ok so first off;
Impulse goes through EVERYTHING except ENERGY. EVERYTHING. And you never said Shadite or Abysium was ENERGY, just PHYSICAL MATTER.
Second, the qi weapons do NOT attack one's qi. They attack the physical body, like a normal weapon. It is like if Zalgo made a spear and stabbed Caterpillar Altaer in the plate joint. Would that deal damage? Just saying, unless I've misclarified. In which case sorry, because you might have thought about these weapons differently.

"Although sourced from The Abyss (and thus consisting of Pure Chaos)" -- I did clarify that they are both Pure Chaos and physical at the same time, which results in a dual nature, as I explained above. Thus, while their Pure Physical side would be vulnerable to Impulse, the Pure Chaos (which is loosely definable as a form of energy....) side of their nature would render them (and him) immune.

Qi is inherently different from Fraysian Oil used by Zalgo because one is a manifestation of a kind of "soul energy" (the Qi) and the other is a physical material that just happens to have some odd properties (the Oil). Trying to use attacks that require a certain level of psychological/mental/energy/magical balance and control -- like Qi manipulation -- on his Exochaotic state is like trying to dry up the Oceans by pour table salt on them. All of the salt reserves in existence would do no good.

His Endochaotic (aka seemingly human) state would remain vulnerable to their attacks more or less as normal, however.

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"Although sourced from The Abyss (and thus consisting of Pure Chaos)" -- I did clarify that they are both Pure Chaos and physical at the same time, which results in a dual nature, as I explained above. Thus, while their Pure Physical side would be vulnerable to Impulse, the Pure Chaos (which is loosely definable as a form of energy....) side of their nature would render them (and him) immune.

Qi is inherently different from Fraysian Oil used by Zalgo because one is a manifestation of a kind of "soul energy" (the Qi) and the other is a physical material that just happens to have some odd properties (the Oil). Trying to use attacks that require a certain level of psychological/mental/energy/magical balance and control -- like Qi manipulation -- on his Exochaotic state is like trying to dry up the Oceans by pour table salt on them. All of the salt reserves in existence would do no good.

His Endochaotic (aka seemingly human) state would remain vulnerable to their attacks more or less as normal, however.

The first bit makes sense. Ok, so Impulse doesn't work. Fairdos.
But the second bit IS A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT ARGHHHHHHHHHH!
(I despise contradictory statements)
Anyway the reason why is this.


P.S. Qi is like Shadite. Kinda. It can form crystal, and it is two things at once(sometimes). It is always metaphysical energy, so it will hit you in the qi(which everything living and or sentient has, so unless Altaer is an undead non-sentient thing, it will affect him), as well as sometimes being a physical substance(gas, liquid, damascus-steely thing, crystal.) and therefore doing that.

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The first bit makes sense. Ok, so Impulse doesn't work. Fairdos.
But the second bit IS A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT ARGHHHHHHHHHH!
(I despise contradictory statements)
Anyway the reason why is this.

CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT GODDAMNIT (Click to Show)

The thing about the Qi SPEAR (not normal qi, that is entirely metaphysical soul energy, you are correct. Until it forms a gas, solid or liquid, because it can't form plasma, beam or EBC, it is entirely soul energy) being metaphysical is wrong. I am explicitly stating that Alex MAY AND WILL turn qi into a physical substance. As such, it can form crystal (energy can't form crystal btw). Therefore, it hits things like your example of a penknife. Except it's an unbreakable spear. Therefore bullshit.

Two side notes (Click to Show)

1. Does Altaer have a soul?
2. If Pure Chaos (your version :p) is (and I quote) "loosely definable as a form of energy", then it is a thing. Yes? If so, Pandemonium does work on it. Because Pandemonium only behaves differently on Null (which isn't a thing basically.) I was asking because I wanted to know if it would behave slightly differently. Like... it takes longer for it to activate/it spreads slower. NOT whether it activates.

P.S. Qi is like Shadite. Kinda. It can form crystal, and it is two things at once(sometimes). It is always metaphysical energy, so it will hit you in the qi(which everything living and or sentient has, so unless Altaer is an undead non-sentient thing, it will affect him), as well as sometimes being a physical substance(gas, liquid, damascus-steely thing, crystal.) and therefore doing that.

It is not the physical part of Qi that I am talking about. No matter what state or material you form it into, its still Qi, to which Altaer's Endochaotic state would be immune.

But That is a point on which I would be willing to be lenient if it was a huge deal with you -- but I do not make this leniency easily or lightly.

ANYHOO.....

In answer to your two questions...

1) No, Altaer does not have a "soul." His Pure Chaos side has replaced that.

2) Pure Chaos is merely a principle manifest. Namely, utter and complete disorder and lethal inertia for everything and everyone in any realm in any state of any existence, controllable only by a being composed purely of it. It functions along the same general rules as energy, and can be used similarly. Hence the term "loosely." It is FAAAAAARRRR from being energy.

Umm, I'll just make a second piece of CnC.

Also, Altaer, buddy, friend, pal, homeslice, breadslice.
STOP HAVING APPROPRIATE RESPONSES TO MY CNC. I DO THIS TO ESTABLISH DOMINANCE, DAMMIT.
Jokes aside, I put the senses one there just to be an insufferable ass. As for the others, ignore Dooms' 8923B746 questions and uhh... pay attention to mine.


Overall I'd say it's a good character

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It is not the physical part of Qi that I am talking about. No matter what state or material you form it into, its still Qi, to which Altaer's Endochaotic state would be immune.

But That is a point on which I would be willing to be lenient if it was a huge deal with you -- but I do not make this leniency easily or lightly.

ANYHOO.....

In answer to your two questions...

1) No, Altaer does not have a "soul." His Pure Chaos side has replaced that.

2) Pure Chaos is merely a principle manifest. Namely, utter and complete disorder and lethal inertia for everything and everyone in any realm in any state of any existence, controllable only by a being composed purely of it. It functions along the same general rules as energy, and can be used similarly. Hence the term "loosely." It is FAAAAAARRRR from being energy.

First off about the Qi thing. Bullshit. You can't have a "double nature" and not allow my character essentially the same thing. Also is Altaer the non-sentient undead? Cause otherwise he HAS qi. I'm just saying.

Second, ok he doesn't have a soul. Fair enough.

Third, aa-aa. Contradictory statement. If your version of PURE CHAOS MWAHAHAHAHAH is energy, then Pandemonium works on it. If your version isn't, then Impulse works on it. No questions asked. So which one(if you have an inbetweener then both work).

Fourth, hey Malacal. Just wondering whether you had seen my rework, and if so your opinions on it.

Five, Alphaeus, I'm not trying to be a dick (although I am doing a good job) because I will want to fight you at some point, and therefore need clarification of what works. But apparently fighting a being of (your version of) Pure Chaos is different from fighting a normal human. Who knew?;)

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First off about the Qi thing. Bullshit. You can't have a "double nature" and not allow my character essentially the same thing. Also is Altaer the non-sentient undead? Cause otherwise he HAS qi. I'm just saying.

Second, ok he doesn't have a soul. Fair enough.

Third, aa-aa. Contradictory statement. If your version of PURE CHAOS MWAHAHAHAHAH is energy, then Pandemonium works on it. If your version isn't, then Impulse works on it. No questions asked. So which one(if you have an inbetweener then both work).

Fourth, hey Malacal. Just wondering whether you had seen my rework, and if so your opinions on it.

Five, Alphaeus, I'm not trying to be a dick (although I am doing a good job) because I will want to fight you at some point, and therefore need clarification of what works. But apparently fighting a being of (your version of) Pure Chaos is different from fighting a normal human. Who knew?;)

I think we have taken this discussion really as far as this can go. Your character has no track record by which I can quantify what you mean when you speak (which has lead to a little confusion on my part about your char) and my reworked version of Altaer -- though described thoroughly -- also has no battles by which you can understand what I mean easily. Considering we both are discussing difficult topics, I think we need to wait until we have more battle-hardened evidence.

Your descriptions of Pandemonium and Impulse are, quite frankly, extremely vague, which is what lies at the root of my confusion on that part. I had a hard time finding much about either of them, since both share a very short paragraph with a couple of things thrown into that same small paragraph as well....you can see how much attention I devote to my char's abilities. I would suggest you do the same to avoid confusion.

Malacal~

Ahh....that is why you read ahead. All that original shit is there for Altaer because several of the collabs I have planned with other people are "backdated" to before his transformation to this new state, and thus they will need a full char sheet of Altaer at that point in time.


Thanks for the compliments, also. I sincerely appreciate them. Also, the changes I said I will be making WILL be made...I just have a lot on my plate right now. But It will happen soon.

Fair enough. I was gonna fight someone soon anyways. I don't know who to fight tho... Because I want to use both chars. and I can't think of many I can fight with both chars well, because... They need to be either tremendously OP or multiple people.

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Fair enough. I was gonna fight someone soon anyways. I don't know who to fight tho... Because I want to use both chars. and I can't think of many I can fight with both chars well, because... They need to be either tremendously OP or multiple people.

Peples I can fight w/ both (Click to Show)

Altaeus: Because you have 2 too (confusing sentence)
Azure: Because I think I am allowed to use Kizu. Maybe?
Not much else. But that's fine because I'll fight someone with one char first. Just who?:confused:

You could try fighting Dante. Then three clans would be at least mildly annoyed at you.

Posting here to just say that...

I HAVE FINISHED MY CHARACTER (and Altaer) RETROFIT!!

Nehushtan has been retrofitted too, but I just have to post that...

*reads Altaer
hahahhaha thats cool

BUT STOP UNINTENTIONALLY PLAGUERISING MY CHARACTERS DAMNIT

*reads Doctor
*smug smile
aaaaaaand this is where Alice is going to have the same emotion as I do. FUCKING SMUGNESS. hehehehhehehehhehehehehhehehehehehehhehe ;)

[i will explain what I mean later if we are still having that battle(i thought the chain of events was yes>non-canon>no>yes>maybe)]

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You're more likely to copy me, considering my universe has existed here long before you joined.

Secondly, I'm pretty much waiting until I think your char has settled into whatever new form you've put it in. Yes, we will battle, but currently I'm still having it non-canon.

Join the club(i was guest for three years, and my universe has been around for MUCH longer then that), and check my char. I do believe you will find an updated canon and char fully available in Jan. Don't start early though. I take ages to write shortest stories possible, so I need all the help I can get.

So, Alph, I read over the Doctor, looks, personality, abilities and weaknesses, and I've gotta say, I do not care for him at all as he is. And you know why? The reason is, I don't tend to care for absolutes.

Absolutes are a tricky thing, and even moreso when it comes to a competitive setting. One or two absolutes may be alright, depending on how they're present and written, but in a general sense, absolutes are a writer's bane. To create an absolute is to remove limitations, and without limitations, one finds themselves with static. It dulls the mind, and at its worst, leads to regression or stagnation.

When I looked over the Doctor, here are the things I found that, in particular, bothered me:

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> -Absolutely noticeable wherever he goes
-Absolutely perfect body
-Absolute immunity to psychological attack/invasions/powers
-Absolute emotional control and immunity to emotional manipulation
-Absolute ability to manipulate emotions

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> -Absolutely can't have anything break his focus in battle
-Absolute medical skill
-Absolute weapon skill
-Wisdom to the point of reading the future

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> "David is totally and completely reliant upon his insane endurance to fight. You can either push him over the brink (which would be difficult or even impossible), or simply find a way to keep things at your pace (either ending them quickly or keeping yourself from becoming taxed)."

Now, while you can argue that with age comes wisdom and time to improve skills, you've created a character that took his immortality and turned into a god-complex maniac who saw himself above others, already a questionable topic, and made him into perfection beyond humanity without flaws or real character defects. And let me tell you, that's not just a bad thing, it's a goddamn boring thing. I've said it before, but inmortality is the worst curse you can bestow on intelligent life. Without a set time limit, life tends to lose its meaning. There is no rush to do anything, no need to accomplish because you can always do later, or simply wait. Yet David seems to have no issues with any of this. He maintains this subjectively perfect body that by no definition should be possible, has a flawless memory and intellect to the point of being able to predict the future, has mastered this and mastered that, and yet he somehow still seeks to achieve. There isn't anything left to achieve. By all rights, he should he bored out of his mind at all times! He should be suicidal! He should have SOMETHING wrong with him, but he doesn't!

And then having him be this absolute entity. "If he steps in the room, you will notice him," "If he touches you or looks you in the eye, he can manipulate your emotions," "If you battle him, don't even think about trying to manipulate any aspect of his being because you're shit out of luck in the brain department because he has it on total lockdown." All that would make him human aside from appearances is gone. He is essentially the embodiment of a Gary Stu. He has range, close range, money, cars, magical powers that are indestructible and he can manipulate with his subconscious so now you've got 3 Gary Stus to deal with... it's just bad character design.


If the term "perfect" can be used to describe any part of your character, then you should double check and evaluate said character because there is probably something wrong with them.

Seriously. What is this nonsense.

Soo...Azzy.

I respect your opinions, but we must first realize that you and I already differ greatly in styles and views on...well...just about everything we've ever discussed. That's not a bad thing, but just the way it is. Thus what you view as negative I might like, and what you might like I view as negative (sometimes). In the end, in all discussions of this nature, we have to remember that what we voice are subjective opinions on any matter, and nothing more.

That said, because you have taken the time to voice these concerns, I will explain more in depth about David, and how everything truly works out in the end.


Lastly, I know that unfortunately I cannot and will not be able please everyone. I do want to try, but there is simply a limit. Right now I am already working with someone on the revamp of my chars and canon. Currently, I am waiting on feedback from the person who is working with me right now, so until then there will be no edits one way or the other. It might end up that after discussions we decide to enact changes more in accordance with your views -- that is very well, and I am not opposed to this. At this point, however, I am merely saying that I am not altering anything.