I'm not reading everything right now because I'm a lazy fucker buzzing through work shit on another screen and don't care.

SOOOoo...

About Prison. I voted agree (not strongly) on punishment over rehabilitation. Why? Well, because I see the government's responsibility is JUSTICE. A Prison's job is PUNISHMENT. Now, that said, I think rehab is 5x more important than the punishment. I definitely think we NEED Rehab for criminals. Still, I don't see this as the job of prisons. Rehab facilities and prisons are functioning at opposite ends of the spectrum on what they do. Trying to make one place do the other is nuts.

Imagine in your high-school drug rehab decided to overlap into the prison sector. Uh, yeah, they'd be shut down faster than a preteen's laptop when his momma caught him doing porn.

With that hyperbole in place, why the fuck are we trying to make prisons -- a punishment -- turn into rehab centers -- a positive idea??? This doesn't work, and all it means is that NEITHER job is going to be done well.

We need to create a separate step in the system for rehab. Like, punish the dudes with prison for a shorter time, THEN roll them into a rehab center for another amount of time.

the question is: "In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation"

"Criminal justice is the system of practices and institutions of governments directed at upholding social control, deterring and mitigating crime, or sanctioning those who violate laws with criminal penalties and rehabilitation efforts."

so both penalties (prison) and rehabilitation efforts (rehab centers) are parts of the criminal justice system.

nothing about the question implies that they should be merged--the question simply asks which one is more important.

i don't really feel that my political beliefs can be evaluated on a 2-dimensional chart like this, but here

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the question is: "In criminal justice, punishment should be more important than rehabilitation"

"Criminal justice is the system of practices and institutions of governments directed at upholding social control, deterring and mitigating crime, or sanctioning those who violate laws with criminal penalties and rehabilitation efforts."

so both penalties (prison) and rehabilitation efforts (rehab centers) are parts of the criminal justice system.

nothing about the question implies that they should be merged--the question simply asks which one is more important.

The question asks which one is more important in regards to prisons. That's what I'm saying. I think trying to make a 2-for-1 deal where prisons are both punishment AND rehab is stupid. It should be two steps, with punishment being the first focus to knock the shit out of them for what they did, and then step to be to put an arm around their shoulders and say, "Alright, now, you've done wrong, and you've paid the price. Now let's get you back on your feet." Trying to shoehorn that idea into prison compromises both.

When I was a kid, my parents would discipline me if I did something disobedient or lied, but then after the discipline they would come and hug me and talk to me and make me feel better. That method establishes what is what.

Our current criminal justice system has sacrificed effectiveness for efficiency. The question is not about criminal justice, Index...read it. It is about PRISONS. So that is what I addressed.

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The question asks which one is more important in regards to prisons.

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The question is not about criminal justice, Index...read it. It is about PRISONS. So that is what I addressed.

Smile shittin on the system

I did one for Jeff.

yeah, i copypasted the question and bolded its subject, so i dunno what you're talking about alpho

HUH, well, guess I got turned around somehow. Not like I studied that thing anyway :P.

Anyhow, well, I was wrong about the question, but I believe my point still stands.

From my point of view, Criminal Justice is about punishment.


I mean, that's its very definition. I'm not saying Rehab isn't important -- again, that's probably far MORE important than the punishment. I just don't see it as the job of the criminal justice department. I believe it falls more into the role of Social Services and the like.

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'and corrections'


Hmmm

Yeah, sorry Alph, Skele shut you down with 2 words.

Besides what's with this notion that justice is merely punishment, when punishment is just a small facet of justice...justice originally being a much larger concept.
example: just behavior or treatment.
"a concern for justice, peace, and genuine respect for people"

If you think punishment is more important than rehabilitation in regards to prison, again, you're fucking up. It's that sort of shitty mentality that has our prisons filled to the brim with re-offenders. Our top priority as a society should be ensuring these offenders don't repeat again, to prevent the crime, the things we've decided we're against, so that our prison complex can be much more manageable. Like arch said, often spending the best years of your life in a controlled environment is a far greater punishment than what we do in the environment itself anyways.

I'm sick of this childish "eye for an eye" mentality that thinks the world gets better if you send away all the badguys to rot. Well most of them eventually get out, and then what? You don't create a more peaceful world by filling it with embittered former criminals that are getting punished in the system by this crappy mentality and then when they get out they're being punished further socially by an inability to get any decent jobs or places to live.
That way of thinking clearly doesn't work, it's stupid.

I'm lookin' at you alph and smile.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind.

RIP Alphaeus.

Yeah, I think part of the reason why so many people go back to jail once they've been to jail once is b/c nobody trusts them anymore, they can't get any decent jobs, so they're forced to go back to their old ways.

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I'm lookin' at you alph and smile.

I didn't choose "strongly agree" on my actual survey I was just clicking random answers so I can find the question. It was a radio button so I couldn't unclick it so I just left it like that for giggles.