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Eric Kassaran (GenericAnon) versus Vamprina (Cassandra)

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Aug 14, 2017 3:21 PM #1482973
May I offer my unprofessional input to the opinions of how long stories should be? I don't care about the length and I don't think it should matter so long as it got to be that way through content rather than padding. Basically don't try to make them longer than they should but don't adhere to page limits if it rushed your story or cuts out anything important.
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Aug 14, 2017 3:33 PM #1482975
I agree with you, Urako. A story should be as long as it's logical for it to be, but what Waffles is trying to suggest is merely an exercise. Limits like that force you to try and focus on what's important and what needs to be said.
It's not something permanent (personally, I've never dealt well with page limits, but I understand why this would be a good thing)
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Aug 14, 2017 5:08 PM #1482983
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Hey, Cassandra. You have my word I'll read your side tonight.


I'll be waiting! I've still got a long way to go before I become an expert writer (in my opinion). In the end, I was rushing my story and putting in edits and things XD. Still, I kept the story adhered to the outline I'd made for myself, and it turned out the way I wanted it to (except for the end; I hadn't developed that part in my outline. To me, it fell a little flat.).

All in all, I'm willing to learn! Flatten me with CNCs! I want to hear it all! :D
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Aug 14, 2017 8:04 PM #1482988
Ok, I'm coming from lurking, and I have to do a CnC because Richard caught me on a double negative.

Anyway!

The Dictionary of GenericAnon (Click to Show)


I'll probably read Cassandra's piece, but probably not cause I'm really lazy and procrastinate.
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Aug 15, 2017 7:01 PM #1483047
Okay, soo...

I came late, but would have voted for Cass. Same reason as the others.

Now, Generic, since you compare yourself with me (Also, Verny-Werny, I wuv u 2 <3 ), I'll comment.

What you've done is try to focus on details...but you've missed the ones that actually leave the impact. I tend to be detail heavy, but still.

Hearts This is my battle vs Codincx. In it I clash two world-wide super-organizations, about five or six main chars, and do a shit-load of character development for my chars. This is my longest battle, and it's only 32 pages.

I do a ton of close description on certain parts, but each one has the purpose of telling you deeply about who these people are. You just tell us about the world, with only occasional character revelations. Just read the first 5 pages of my battle to show what I mean about zooming in on relevant details.

Unlike most people here, I have written a full-length novel that is currently with Literary Agents in the lengthy process of getting copyrights and finding a good publishing deal. I've had to deal with professional editors digging into my work, and know what it means to shave shit down, even if descriptiveness is my style.

RELEVANT details are the key. Every. Single. Fucking. Detail. Must. Be. Relevant. If it doesn't reveal something key about the characters or story, carry some emotional impact. For example, in My battle vs Vern I told the story from SIX different viewpoints, created immersive environments and a good sense of the various locations, all in 24 pages. Now, Vern and Dickles (Richard "Waffles" Longflop) might say this is still too long, but that's just my way of writing. I often do much less (my shortest battle is well under 10 pages I think).

The point is look at a scene. Set the GENERAL image. Then look at what emotional impact you want to make. Think about what it is SPECIFICALLY that makes that impact. Explode that single aspect alone. Leave the rest to the reader -- they have enough imagination to fill in the blanks. Moby Dick is considered the only true Epic every produced in American literature. The ENTIRE MASSIVE BOOK is written in RHYTHMIC PROSE. That means literally alliteration, consonance, assonance, internal rhyme, etc are used to craft his colorful imagery. Even then, though, he doesn't cover every detail. He lets things peter out. Some little details of the Pequod you won't notice until hundreds of pages into the book, even though you will have been stuck on that ship for many, many pages by that point. Clive Cussler is the undisputed king of action-adventure novels, and has been since the 80s. He created a char in the late 70s/early 80s by the name of Dirk Pitt (based off of an idealized version of himself, actually). Working on 40 years later he's still writing novels with this char (among many, many others) and you are still seeing the char as dynamic and learning little details you never knew. That's after scores and scores of novels with this char.

Now, in the narrative -- emphasize ONLY what drives the plot. For example, in my battle vs Codincx, I entirely cut the entire set of scenes I had written for David breaking into The Empire of Sin's fortress, because I realized the extra eight pages really weren't necessary. I touched on it in arrears by using other characters later. In other times I've done flashbacks -- that battle starts with Altaer at a point in the middle of the battle, goes backwards to the beginning, then passes the intro scene and moves on to the end. There are many segments you can cut out if you structure a story right.

This is a lot about me, but that's because you said you write like me (which you kinda do, tbh), so I used myself as a reference.

50 pages? The standard length of a full chapter in a full-length novel is about 12-25 pages. You wrote two chapters, or about a sixth of a full novel. At this rate your "novel" would be 2-3x the normal length....we're talking between 600 and 900 pages. WTF? A bit too long, mate.
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Aug 16, 2017 2:57 AM #1483054
You know, Cassandra, I don't know what it is about you (or rather, I have an idea, but I'm not quite sure how to best describe it), but your writing carries this very pleasant tone to it. Not in its theme, as in happy, unicorns and smiling suns and constant jolly singing while skipping through fields of flowers and whatnot.

Pleasant more in the regards to the way you tell it and the characters involved. Seeing your characters act and interact is a joy because of how they are just works of a... I hesitate to use the words "pure imagination" because that's not really correct, but it's not far from that. Maybe "clean" could work here. I suppose the long way to say it would be "An imagination that is not overly tainted by external influences. Where the characters are made through a clean construct of the mind rather than overly relying on an already established character."

As I'm writing this, I came to realise what kind of style this reminded me of. Dark Chronicle. That's a game where the entire world seems to be the product something similar. And that may be the key as to why I like your work so much. That game holds a special place in my heart.

But there are definite flaws in what you've written here, so let me get on that.

Flaws (Click to Show)

Yeah, your problems are much more standard and confined to a single area. If somehow this could have been rewritten while taking out the battle, I'd have enjoyed it fully : P
Yes, the ending was a bit flat, what with all the everyone gives hugs and kisses and bad guys and good guys make amends, but it was fine.
It still makes me want to write something involving Vamprina and the rest of the characters you've shown (and likely more). Is this a challenge? Not sure, really.
It's irrelevant now, but I'd have voted for you, no questions asked.

Also, not exactly part of this topic, but something I'd like to mention:
Cassandra, you might want to change the link for the picture you have of Vamprina's look to "http://oi66.tinypic.com/122cad5.jpg" instead. It's hard to see otherwise because ads get in the way and you can't click it to enlarge it. That, or reupload it to imgur and use that.
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Aug 17, 2017 3:08 PM #1483093
Thanks for the CNC SCJRPV! I'll try to make my writing clearer next time and work on a better reason for Vamprina to cross blades with someone! :)

Oh, and thanks for the heads-up about her wRHG pic; I'll fix that now.
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Aug 17, 2017 5:03 PM #1483095
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SCJRPV

*Ahem*
*points to his username*

(Really though, you can call me Seb, or Sebastian instead. I know how easy it is to misspell it : P)

It wasn't so much as the reason she was crossing blades, it was just what her objective during the fight was. I couldn't quite get whether she was toying with him and the events mid-fight were just coincidences that helped her show her colours, or if she was dragging it out to try to prove something
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Aug 17, 2017 8:41 PM #1483102
*squints at webpage*

"Uhh..."

*puts on glasses*

"Oh. Sorry about that."

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