Guns, should they be allow, or not?

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Sep 14, 2008 9:37 PM #252971
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Point is that gun control could be extremely strict. Bobby Joe shouldn't have the guns in the first place. Getting a license for selling guns should be really hard, getting a license for buying them should be as well.
In Norway it is very hard to get a hold of a gun without going through several training courses on safety and handling the weapon first. Most common people doesn't bother getting the gun when they have to spend so much time on getting it. If it wasn't common to own a gun, impulsive murders would most likely drop a lot.
Of course it is impossible to make it impossible for criminals to get guns, they are criminals and can get the guns illegally. But that doesn't mean one shouldn't make it as hard as possible for them.


The idea is that Bobby Joe got the gun from a person smuggling them in from Russia or something.
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Sep 15, 2008 12:53 AM #253344
Marihuana IS legal here.

And hey..



Wow...



We are all still alive. Not everyone is a Junky.

Who would have thought...

Oh and guns should be allowed if you want shit like it is happening in the USA. People shooting each other over nonsense,

Ofcourse here people stab each other over nonsense, but stabbing you can defend yourself from easier.
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Sep 15, 2008 1:28 AM #253363
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Marihuana IS legal here.

And hey..



Wow...



We are all still alive. Not everyone is a Junky.

Who would have thought...

Oh and guns should be allowed if you want shit like it is happening in the USA. People shooting each other over nonsense,

Ofcourse here people stab each other over nonsense, but stabbing you can defend yourself from easier.


You know that Canada's gun control laws are extremely similar to our own, right?

But their gun crime rates are far lower.
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Sep 15, 2008 1:48 AM #253374
I don't know if thats true, but I'm sure it is. Canada does have alot of hunters.

So, if thats true. What can we conclude? Why do American kill so much?
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Sep 15, 2008 6:52 AM #253563
Watch 'bowling for columbine' for crying out loud and learn some history.
Ill get back on the topic later, school now.
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Sep 15, 2008 6:56 AM #253565
I did watch BfC, and it did not come with an good answer to my question.

Hence me posting it here.
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Sep 15, 2008 7:46 AM #253587
WHY NOT THOSE GUNS THAT ONLY FIRE IF THEY RECOGNISE THE FINGERPRINT THINGz
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Sep 15, 2008 3:40 PM #253898
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I did watch BfC, and it did not come with an good answer to my question.

Hence me posting it here.


WRONG!

It actually says that americans are so scared because of the history of fear they had. In tenthousand more lines of text, but that's about what is meant.
So shut up and watch the movie again.
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Sep 15, 2008 3:50 PM #253902
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The idea is that Bobby Joe got the gun from a person smuggling them in from Russia or something.


I understood that, but I'll repeat myself: That criminals will always be able to get weapons illegally, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to prevent them from getting weapons as much as we can.
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Sep 15, 2008 5:03 PM #253941
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If drugs were legal, the only effect it would have is that the people already using them would be allowed to use them freely and know that they won't get thrown in jail.


Oh, oh, OH! Now, relate that to guns. People don't get thrown to jail for the possession. So, what would change, according to your very own logic, if the possession was illegal? Holy shit!
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Sep 15, 2008 8:35 PM #254033
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Oh, oh, OH! Now, relate that to guns. People don't get thrown to jail for the possession. So, what would change, according to your very own logic, if the possession was illegal? Holy shit!

I'm not quite following. But if what you're trying to be smart about is what I think you're trying to be smart about, kindly redirect yourself to Ash's very detailed example, good sir.
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Sep 16, 2008 6:47 AM #254444
I've read Ash's detailed example and it is shit.

You have that everywhere and using that as an example to not make guns illedal is shit too. Of course, if someone wants a gun, he'll try har to get one, but if someone wants a bomb and wants to get one, it's not like he has it the next day.

Stop thinking criminals are so smart by the way.
And the only ones I can think of wanting guns so much to actually get them when they're illegal are gangsters. And it's not like they kill everyone they see. They kill eachother.
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Sep 16, 2008 12:50 PM #254517
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I've read Ash's detailed example and it is shit.

You have that everywhere and using that as an example to not make guns illedal is shit too. Of course, if someone wants a gun, he'll try har to get one, but if someone wants a bomb and wants to get one, it's not like he has it the next day.

You're missing the point: a day or so wait is insignifigant for something they will use repeatedly. It's not like they need a new gun for every crime.


Stop thinking criminals are so smart by the way.

Why the hell not? THEY ARE. Or at least, the competant ones are, the ones that get 5 bank jobs under their belt without getting caught.


And the only ones I can think of wanting guns so much to actually get them when they're illegal are gangsters. And it's not like they kill everyone they see. They kill eachother.


The world of crime isn't divided into gangsters and classy robbers that rob banks with telephones instead of guns like in Pulp Fiction. Almost every form of crime requires some sort of weapon, be it for the performance of the crime itself (Compare robbing a bank at gunpoint and robbing one at rubber duck-point and see if you aren't ****ing laughed at) or for self defense after the crime, or even as a back-up plan if the first plan fails.

Point is, gangsters aren't the only kind of criminal that needs guns, though you're right that they focus on killing each other.



Look at The UK as an example. It had a higher crime rate in 1997 than the US, and guns are illegal there.
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Sep 16, 2008 12:53 PM #254519
Ash, if you are a serious crime, you are going to use your weapon once, then get rid of it. It makes it a lot harder to trace.
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Sep 16, 2008 1:00 PM #254522
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Ash, if you are a serious crime, you are going to use your weapon once, then get rid of it. It makes it a lot harder to trace.


Depends on the crime. Murder, yes. But for use as a bank robbing tool, they won't be able to trace it.

Plus, most criminals buy several guns at a time, not just one, so if you are forced to actually USE your gun, you can switch to another for a while.

And it's really hard to trace illegal guns, btw. After all, most come from another country, and serious criminals pay with numarked cash to avoid leaving a perper trail.