Well I was just thinking about numbers and stuff, and remembered my math teacher last year saying the number 0 is not a number because it has no value. But if it is a number, then that also means the number 1 is the second number in the timeline of numbers.

So what do you think? Is 0 a real number or is it not just because it has no value? And if it is real, does that make the number 1 the second number?

0 is a term we apply to the absence of....stuff.

It's like "black". Technically, that word refers to an absence of light.
Is it a color? I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how you want to define it.

Zero represents nothingness. It's hard to explain, but your teacher is right. It IS a number, but it has no value, thus making one the first real number.

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0 is a term we apply to the absence of....stuff.

It's like "black". Technically, that word refers to an absence of light.
Is it a color? I'm not sure. I guess it depends on how you want to define it.

Exactly the analogy I was going to use. I don't think it's a number, for the same reason black isn't a color.

Black is a color. It's what's known as a neutral color, along with the rest of the grayscale and sepia tones.

0 is well 0, I mean it means nothing at all, like nothing exsits, whats weird is 0 means nothing but they put in 100 to show it is a lot,

yes, 0 may be nothing, but without it, nothing will be nothing you wont have 10, 20, 30, 40, and so-on so 0 is something, if it wasn't we probably wouldn't exist.

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Black is a color. It's what's known as a neutral color, along with the rest of the grayscale and sepia tones.

Black is the absence of light and therefore color. It may be included in color charts or whatever, but as far as the actual color black, it just doesn't exist.

Yeah, creeping me out, so If 0 stands for nothing, we stand for nothing, if we stand for nothing, 0 stands for nothing, its an endless cycle, and if we somehow did stand for something, we wouldn't have 10s,100s,1000s, so on well... maybe not so bad
imagine 111,111,111.11
1 would stand for 0

this thread makes my head hurt

every number would have taken the place of 0 if 0 stands for nothing, and thats a bad thing people... I will explain that when we get there.

You know, we did use to live without the number 0. I don't remember the year, but it was around the 400-600 A.D. range whenever people living near the Indus river "invented/discovered" the number 0. Everyone used to just count what was physically there, and nobody needed to take mathematics in school, so they had no reason for something that symbolized nothing.

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