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Religion:

Observation: The world around them and how complex it is.

Hypothesis: There must be a all powerful being or greater being to have made all of this in such a complex way
this is where it ends. No experiment has ever been performed to dest this hypothesis.
Experimentation: What happens to the human phycie(sp) when you add faith into their mind. Trying to replicate the world, and its conditions
Erm... Sounds more to me like something a PSYCOLOGIST would ask, not a person from 400 BCE.

Also, how does this expirement test the hypothesis? After all, that's how the scientific method works.
Theory: There must be a greater being as everything is so minutely complex.
Erm... wow.
Also Ash, you can see a huge similarity between religion and science, the same thing happened with modern religion taking over the older ones. Science is just providing another belief structure although it isn't a belief per say.

I love how you layed out your method there. It's as if I were to do this:



Observation: The sky is blue.

Hypothesis: The sky reflects the blue from the ocean.

Expirement: How does the color of the sky effect people's mood?

Theory: The sky is blue because it reflects the ocean.


What you layed out was a bothery of the scientific method. Your experiment should have tested whether complexity requires intelligence to arise, not whether religion effects the brain.

A person without anything to believe in is a very empty person.

Well, actually, I feel quite content. In fact, i'm more consistantly happy now that I don't the thought of a God to keep me worried.

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Religion gives a reason for people to feel guilty. I think (even if its a complete lie), that religion is a great thing.

WHY DO ALL YOU PEOPLE KEEP FORGETTING ABOUT HUMAN EMPATHY!!!!!

Everyone has some sort of philosophy, and its by that idea that they live by. We need something to follow, be it a god or trying to get rid of god. What would our lives be like if we had no goal, nothing we were trying to accomplish in life?

I'm looking forward to a good dinner, actually.

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Schwa, I'd like to ask you to stop insulting. This is a debate, lighten up.

I'd like to thank you people for posting your opinion here. Now if you excuse me, I'll post something smarter later. I'm alcoholised.

>_>

Ash I apologise for my insulatation...by taking your side.

Personally I think the world would be a better place with no religion if we all had morals reflection those taught in the bible, but without having to rely on a supernatural deity to enforce those.

Something like that.

I hate it when people bring up that religion gives you morals, sure, it might, but people do have their own morals.

But I also hate it when people insult people for having morals based on the bible.

Just throwing that out there.

Back on topic.

Think father figure-esque mode of thought.

Since I can't think of anything intelligent to add.

It's not my choice to make people want to believe in what they want but they should be real strong about what they believe.

They have this guy who could be the devil forceing you into a different type of beleif atheanism i don't really support their cause because they have no certain clue in what to believe in if their gonna beleive there's no god then why do they still live?why not kill theirselves?.

For God believeres thats me we have our own design in what we love tho we are uncertain of what god looks like we do have people giving us alot of more info to picture but we still are unsure i'll love him to the day i die for some reason people have too many questions in god and make up stupid reasons to start some bull stuff like killing people because god sent u a message to .... just be real i don't think god would tell you to kill someone i know the devil would but anyways thats my opinion.

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It's not my choice to make people want to believe in what they want but they should be real strong about what they believe.

They have this guy who could be the devil forceing you into a different type of beleif atheanism i don't really support their cause because they have no certain clue in what to believe in if their gonna beleive there's no god then why do they still live?why not kill theirselves?.

For God believeres thats me we have our own design in what we love tho we are uncertain of what god looks like we do have people giving us alot of more info to picture but we still are unsure i'll love him to the day i die for some reason people have too many questions in god and make up stupid reasons to start some bull stuff like killing people because god sent u a message to .... just be real i don't think god would tell you to kill someone i know the devil would but anyways thats my opinion.

This post proves that Christians have no punctuation skills.

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This post proves that Christians have no punctuation skills.

This post proves that Athiests are generalizing jackasses.

****ing mormons not paying attention

Moar proof.

Dudeman, back on the subject of spirituality, I disagree that everyone has it. I, and a few people I know, are very comfortable with the thought that we are alone, that there is no God. In fact, we like it this way, because there are no vague standards to live up to.

Disregarding my shenanigans:

Those standards you spoke of pertain to religion. This is just about an individual belief, far from the expectations of society and culture. I don't have a problem that you believe that. I'm just taking a look at history and saying, "Wow, almost the majority of all people were religious for centuries. Is it because they followed religion, or is it because people had spirituality and religion justified it?".

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This post proves that Christians have no punctuation skills.

Hey. I'm a Christian.

Also side note:

Mormons aren't Christians, it is a different belief system and faith >_>

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This post proves that Athiests are generalizing jackasses.
It was a joke.

Moar proof.
Another joke.


Disregarding my shenanigans:

Those standards you spoke of pertain to religion. This is just about an individual belief, far from the expectations of society and culture. I don't have a problem that you believe that. I'm just taking a look at history and saying, "Wow, almost the majority of all people were religious for centuries. Is it because they followed religion, or is it because people had spirituality and religion justified it?".

I'm sure it never had anything to do with preasure, fear, and incentive for reward. (Not generalizing, just saying that this has happened in the past with numerous religions.)

Yes but Ash, you are now saying that the world will be better without religion (pressure), because religion is the cause of lots of conflicts (fear), and that if you don't have a religion you will be a lot less worried and that you don't have to have your life governed by religion (incentive)

Assuming I understood the actual point of this thread, then all I'd need to say is:

Atheists can have lives just as good as religious people therefore people do not NEED god.
The idea of a god was an explanation for things that seem very simple to us today, and was sometimes abused by clever people to get others to do what they want.

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Assuming I understood the actual point of this thread, then all I'd need to say is:

Atheists can have lives just as good as religious people therefore people do not NEED god.
The idea of a god was an explanation for things that seem very simple to us today, and was sometimes abused by clever people to get others to do what they want.

A winrar is you, good sir.

Thank you. And congrats with your livers ^_^

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Yes but Ash, you are now saying that the world will be better without religion (pressure), because religion is the cause of lots of conflicts (fear), and that if you don't have a religion you will be a lot less worried and that you don't have to have your life governed by religion (incentive)

He actually never said any of that in this thread. He just said that those methods have been used in religions before.

I thought my post concluded this thread. If you wish to continue I will express my beliefs on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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Yes but Ash, you are now saying that the world will be better without religion (pressure), because religion is the cause of lots of conflicts (fear), and that if you don't have a religion you will be a lot less worried and that you don't have to have your life governed by religion (incentive)

Don't try to read too deep into my posts, I said exactly what I meant.

Many people, for instance the atheistic barbarians of some early cultures, became Christians because the Catholic church said that if they didn't, they would burn forever in the afterlife. They were scared, and so did what the Church said. They were only religious out of pressure, fear, and incentive of reward.


This sort of thing occurs more often in conversion (Atheistic cultures are few and far-between, and usually very primitive), such as the Native Americans in the mid 1600s to 1800s, and the Pagans in Europe in the 12th Century.