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Is pure Atheism a paradox?

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Oct 21, 2008 11:59 PM #277612
Okay, Atheists claim that there is no God. They know this, or believe this.

Okay now lets follow this through.
1. To claim that you know that there is not God insinuates that you have the knowledge that he doesn't exist.
2. Therefore you must have access to all information.
3. Therefore you are omniscient.
4. Which going off our definitions of a God and the one that Atheists use to disprove God via paradoxs. You are now a God.
5. But by you being able to say that there is no God, means that you exist.
6. But then as stated in 3 you are a God, yet here you are existing.

This is not an attack, I am just trying to work out the logic.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:04 AM #277619
I've heard that argument, but it works both ways.

1. To claim that you know that there is a God insinuates that you have the knowledge that he does exist.
2. Therefore you must have access to all information.
3. Therefore you are omniscient.
4. Which going off our definitions of a God and the one that Atheists use to disprove God via paradoxs. You are now God.
5. So everyone who claims this is God.
6. That makes no sense, as supposedly there is only 1 God (according to the Abrahamic religions)
7. ...
8. Profit!!![SIZE="1"] (sorry)[/SIZE]

So, both make no sense. Agnosticism (sp?) ftw
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Oct 22, 2008 12:04 AM #277620
I never, ever claimed to know for sure that there's no god. I just don't believe it. Wham, point 1 falls and with it your whole idea.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:06 AM #277621
The problem is with your definition of atheism. Atheism is a negative: WITHOUT something, WITHOUT a god.

Think of it this way: we are all atheists towards most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.

Also, your argument is a double-edged sword: Christians claim to KNOW or BELIEVE that god exists.

1. To claim that you know that there is a God insinuates that you have the knowledge that he exists.
2. Therefore you must have access to all information.
3. Therefore you are omniscient.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:07 AM #277622
I beat you to it, Ash. :D
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Oct 22, 2008 12:09 AM #277625
Dammit! 2 minutes!
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Oct 22, 2008 12:13 AM #277628
Lawl, but then we have proved ours right, were as Atheism ends up defeating its self.

I see what you guys mean though.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:14 AM #277629
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Did you honestly just say that religion has been proven right?

Really?
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Oct 22, 2008 12:26 AM #277637
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Did you honestly just say that religion has been proven right?

Really?


Steyene views are not the views of the Christian empire of planet earth.
He will know be sacrificed to our God.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:34 AM #277640
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I never, ever claimed to know for sure that there's no god. I just don't believe it. Wham, point 1 falls and with it your whole idea.


He said pure atheism. Absolute disbelief that there is an omniscient being watching over us, etc.
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Oct 22, 2008 12:40 AM #277643
No I said I see what you mean.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:37 AM #277663
yeah, pure atheism is just as uncertain as all other religions. Since there is no proof in any direction I'd say the only thing that has anything backing it up would be Buddhism.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:40 AM #277664
Quote from Dinomut
yeah, pure atheism is just as uncertain as all other religions. Since there is no proof in any direction I'd say the only thing that has anything backing it up would be Buddhism.


Why do so many people think that Buddhism has no mystical/supernatural elements? It's an extension of Hinduism.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:47 AM #277667
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Why do so many people think that Buddhism has no mystical/supernatural elements? It's an extension of Hinduism.

That depends on if it's Theravada Buddhism or Mahayana Buddhism, with the latter, of course, being more of an extension from Hinduism.
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Oct 22, 2008 1:56 AM #277670
Ah, okay, nevermind then.
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