This is a thread about how people like Strills and Lixu "steal the styles of other animators."

When I see quotes like this (ALL in one thread containing a quality animation by Strills, mind you):

Quote from Strife

Yeah if you call maximum un-originality good >_>

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Wtf, looks EXACTLY like terkoiz ._.

Quote from T Man

no, it means do your own work. jesus ****.

Quote from T Man

we already have a terkoiz .

Quote from Strife

Lol I love how you say you just do this for fun, but then your style just happens to evolve whenever terkoiz's does, and their both the same.

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I wouldnt care if some poopy noob was ripping, but Strills actually has some potential to be good, but not if he just keeps doing the exact same thing terkoiz does, it's ****ing annoying and stupid.

Quote from Kensei

Terkoiz's anims are "omg awesome" because of the originality and seeing strills do the exact same thing like a couple of months after is not amusing.

I agree with strife on this issue.

I think, hey. Strills must be doing something wrong and completely unethical, because when he makes a smooth, wonderfully animated short, he gets half of the five pages of reply negative for his "copying Terkoiz's style." Then I see the animation which looks completely well made and deserving praise, even looking slightly similar to an animation by Terkoiz...

So I've thought about this many times, and Id like to calmly give those of you who think this way my view on the situation.

1. In a quest for CC, here's what he animated: A total of 6 shots:

• moving camera angle of two sticks (sword and shield wielding) facing eachother
  
• the sword wielding stick progressing towards the shield stick
  
• A strike by sword stick, shielded by shield stick, spark particles
  
• barrage of attacks, sword fill motion trails, smooth motions
  
• close up stealing the sword
  
• awesome blood attacking using both weapons and shield stick wins.
  

Notice that no where in that summary was the word "Terkoiz". These are STICK ANIMATIONS, people. There are no real character designs to steal, the physics seem realistic and fine, the sounds can be used by anyone, the effects and blood have been done by people other than terkoiz, the choreography is original, and the camera use seems to be the only slightly similar element in this entire thing. In other words, it isn't THAT similar to terkoiz, even if it matters! (I'm not talkign about putting "Harro :3" before some of his animations either.)

2. He doesn't deserve the haranguing comments he gets for his quality work, being you not Terkoiz and him not having done anything to you.

3. Terkoiz is NOT the first person to animate the way he animates. He doesn't own the way he makes sticks move, nor does anyone else.

4. Strills makes no money from this at all. Again, not anything to bitch about.

5. Completely unoriginal in an entire animation means he completely copied everything from someone without coming up with anything himself. He came up with the animation, drew everything himself, traced nothing, and only learned how to animate like he does by someone he looks up to which is completely fine.

6. If you're going to say Strills copied from Terkoiz or Lixu copied from Tention, then say also that Tention copied from Nhazul, Tention copied from DBZ, Crazy Jay copied from the maker of Xiao Xiao, Jc copied from the maker of Killing Spree, every pivoteer copied from every pivoteer and basically everyone copied from someone who did something similar before them, OR there's the option of just letting people learn from others without annoying them about it and deciding that no one can OWN a style in any scenario.

7. I'm still yet to see what amazing and original thing terkoiz is doing with his style because I've seen most of the content in all of his animations before his. It's a big world of animation we live in, being the internet....

8. Just let him animate and give him REAL CC like he wanted, faggots.

If you disagree with this, I'd like to know, so I ask you to please type on the keyboard the reasons why I'm wrong and why Strills is a huge faggot for learning from someone else to a bigger extreme than you have and admitting it, as a favor for me so my mind is more clear on this. I hope I'm not mistaken again. :3

Notes:
I'm not attacking anyone, I just disagree with many of you.
I'm not biased with Strills or Lixu. Neither of them are real "Friends" with me. ;-;
This was written under calm terms. I'm not pissed at anyone and am not trolling.
Maturity appreciated in this thread. I'm being serious hear.
Charlie brown needs Zoloft, I've realized after watching his thanksgiving special the first time ever.

Thoughts?

I seriously haven't read what you wrote down but..

I think. Well. What do you mean with styles? As in copying moves? like kensei said, some people just 100% copy the same move, while using the same style. I'm seriously against that. Even though animating is for fun, people still KNOW you with that style. People say they love you, people say you're good, people say stuff. So even if you animate for fun, people still comment on that and think its yours.

A lot use the same Terk style, but at least not the same moves, weapons, ideas, angles. I love strillsy's animations. He got a little more original then in the past : D

But I must say, the stick size, the sword length, and the same exact trails and moves, etc and method strills used in his movie, was exactly used by terkoiz [Not 100% exact of course ;-;]. It might be fun, but if you have a lot of skill, you don't need to do those things. =]

I think its best to find an own style, or at least add your own feel to it. I watch terkoiz a lot too, and seriously I try to sometimes make fluid stuff just like he does at times. But the thing is, because I use my own mind, and my own ideas, and my own, yea, thought about animating, everything still ends up different. But with some, it just looks like they got no ideas of there own, and simply take that off others without adding there own touch to it at least : \ Or just taking there way of thinking, by just copying.

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I seriously haven't read what you wrote down but..

I think. Well. What do you mean with styles? As in copying moves? like kensei said, some people just 100% copy the same move, while using the same style. I'm seriously against that. Even though animating is for fun, people still KNOW you with that style. People say they love you, people say you're good, people say stuff. So even if you animate for fun, people still comment on that and think its yours.

A lot use the same Terk style, but at least not the same moves, weapons, ideas, angles. I love strillsy's animations. He got a little more original then in the past : D

But I must say, the stick size, the sword length, and the same exact trails and moves, etc and method strills used in his movie, was exactly used by terkoiz [Not 100% exact of course ;-;]. It might be fun, but if you have a lot of skill, you don't need to do those things. =]

I think its best to find an own style, or at least add your own feel to it. I watch terkoiz a lot too, and seriously I try to sometimes make fluid stuff just like he does at times. But the thing is, because I use my own mind, and my own ideas, and my own, yea, thought about animating, everything still ends up different. But with some, it just looks like they got no ideas of there own, and simply take that off others without adding there own touch to it at least : \ Or just taking there way of thinking, by just copying.

You have valid point, but I would like to kindly express disagreement with some parts. D:

You mean moves as in choreography? Doing the same choreography isn't really the same thing. Same choreography plus same movements of the characters is like tracing a drawing, which isn't the case and should be looked down upon. :D

I don't really think him having the same stick size, the same motion trails, and the sword length should even be entertained in the mind as stealing because it's all been done before terkoiz... :\

Of course it's a pro to put as much of your own flavor into the style, but being similar or even intentionally almost identical stylewise isn't a crime because he isn't getting a lot of real praise for it, nor money. That's my point. Strills uses his own ideas too. :/ He may be trying to emulate a better animator, but his animations are still pretty different.

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You have valid point, but I would like to kindly express disagreement with some parts. D:

You mean moves as in choreography? Doing the same choreography isn't really the same thing. Same choreography plus same movements of the characters is like tracing a drawing, which isn't the case and should be looked down upon. :D



I don't really think him having the same stick size, the same motion trails, and the sword length should even be entertained in the mind as stealing because it's all been done before terkoiz... :\

No I meant just moves. The exact same movements. I know the stick size shouldn't be concidered stealing, but if you watch, you just feel, and see that its just directly taken at a point (Not meant at strills, or only him). And just the same way he moves. EG: Terkoiz double framed, and used the same quick sword speed movements, the easing, the way it moves to add effect, and strills did the exact same thing now. Just when terkoiz used double framing, now strills does too.

That is I think what people mean with, just as terkoiz comes up with something new, or improves, you do too.

[Not having anything against strills btw, just saying. I have to take an example O_o <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 ]

Of course it's a pro to put as much of your own flavor into the style, but being similar or even intentionally almost identical stylewise isn't a crime because he isn't getting a lot of real praise for it, nor money. That's my point. Strills uses his own ideas too. :/ He may be trying to emulate a better animator, but his animations are still pretty different.

This might not be true. Even though he intends not to get money, he wants to get on frontpage with animations. And I'm sure that will happen, which will give him money. And he is getting a lot of praise from it. But, its also respectism, that if you have your own style people will just respect you more, thinking you are really skilled.

Answered in bold.

Why the hell did you change your name to that btw? Its kinda more noobieser :D <3

One thing I'm wondering.. which animation by terkoiz are you guys comparing to mine? The fl thing or the shield one or what. ._.

Also ssj, double framing. I didnt add that directly, but when I had the moves they were wayyyy too fast so I did some double framing. It also sounds like you say I copied his moves, which I didnt.

w/e

No I meant just moves. The exact same movements. I know the stick size shouldn't be concidered stealing, but if you watch, you just feel, and see that its just directly taken at a point (Not meant at strills, or only him). And just the same way he moves.

So he learned physics and unique body motions by watching someone else is what i see there. Is that bad? People learn like that and emulate people like that all the time, but I think because Strills admits that he's "copying terkoiz", it's now always that and nothing else.

EG: Terkoiz double framed, and used the same quick sword speed movements, the easing, the way it moves to add effect, and strills did the exact same thing now. Just when terkoiz used double framing, now strills does too.

The double/Single framing techniques for different motions has been used by disney animators for a long time as stated in the animator's survival kit by Richard Williams. Whether Strills learned this from Terkoiz or not, it doesn't belong to Terkoiz. =/

That is I think what people mean with, just as terkoiz comes up with something new, or improves, you do too.

[Not having anything against strills btw, just saying. I have to take an example O_o <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 ]

Its ok, I'm sure he hates you now. :P
This might not be true. Even though he intends not to get money, he wants to get on frontpage with animations. And I'm sure that will happen, which will give him money. And he is getting a lot of praise from it. But, its also respectism, that if you have your own style people will just respect you more, thinking you are really skilled.

If Strills animates an idea he came up with using techniques he learned from watching terkoiz, it's still his animation. I know I said before that if he's not making money it's not a crime, but now when I think about it, it's not wrong even if he makes money because he animated it. He is really skilled because of what he learned form watching Terkoiz, and there's nothing wrong with that and making a small amount of cash because of it, is there?

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@Strills. I compare sword and shield versus anything I've seen from terkoiz...

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One thing I'm wondering.. which animation by terkoiz are you guys comparing to mine? The fl thing or the shield one or what. ._.

Also ssj, double framing. I didnt add that directly, but when I had the moves they were wayyyy too fast so I did some double framing. It also sounds like you say I copied his moves, which I didnt.

w/e

No you don't copy moves. I was talking about others in general (Like I said too) in the end I was comparing to you, when I said about the double framing.

Btw I''m comparing the fast sword movements and speed, to FL vs pepper, and terkoizes comeback 2 parts. The one with the shield, quick slashes, and double framings.

Meh i guess. KEEET SOOO NAY (>_<) Although I mean, at the same timish. But I guess. I don't say its illegal, i'm just saying its 10x more skillfull to have a different sort of style, with your own thing to it, and own stuff and you get more respected tooo.

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Meh i guess. KEEET SOOO NAY (>_<) Although I mean, at the same timish. But I guess. I don't say its illegal, i'm just saying its 10x more skillfull to have a different sort of style, with your own thing to it, and own stuff and you get more respected tooo.

Dudeman made this name change, okay!? ;-;

I don't mean anything legal, but my point is that his skill growing off of learning from someone else deserves praise rather than constant nuisance from many people after every anim! D:
/meh

Meh Ive stated all ive had to state in the other thread.

Two people that strongly believe in two different things = an endless arguement so I cant be bothered :/

Ummm... copying someones style isnt bad , if it looks good who cares , do I have to remind you that animating isn't a contest? If that would be than yeah it would matter how original someone is but if its just for entertainment who cares? If it looks good that's all that matters. I don't see why people could be against that , they take this stuff way to seriously.

Oh and I may be wrong on this but I thought Tention and Nhazul are like close friends and develped the style together :/?

You can't directly quote the people and then insult them and then say at the end you're not directly insulting anyone, Kitsune

But I've said everything in the other thread.

Oh, and yes you're right Kensei.

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Oh and I may be wrong on this but I thought Tention and Nhazul are like close friends and develped the style together :/?

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You can't directly quote the people and then insult them and then say at the end you're not directly insulting anyone, Kitsune

But I've said everything in the other thread.

Probably because I'm not meaning to insult anyone. Did I point anyone out and directly call them an insulting name? Please enlighten me and point out any part of my post where I say "You guys are all asshole faggots for thinking strills is a copier" or "Strife is a dipshit ****tard for believing something that I think is wrong". I called them faggots for not giving him real CC, but that's wasn't really to be taken as a personal insult. I can be mature too....


...faggot. :P

@Kensei: That's neat. I just thought I'd give a random example, and I was apparently wrong in that one, but I think you get my point...

TBH, its exactly what you said in the first post, everyone copies someone/something. However, in strills' case he copies very accuratly and therefor it is clear who he copied and which parts, which lets most people see this and have a go at him. I used to copy Jc when i did line but because i gave my sticks longer legs than his it wasn't easy to tell, that and i failed at animation back then.

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