and there is a certain scene where the joker is commenting how much hes changed the city
and he uses the qoute:
"This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."
I have read a few articles on this certain paradox-- but I would like to hear your preference of the scientific answers :)
I watched Dark Knight a few days ago
Started by: Nebakenezzer | Replies: 48 | Views: 3,378
Dec 22, 2008 6:43 AM #319675
Dec 22, 2008 6:48 AM #319680
You want to know the scientific answer to what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
Clearly the unstoppable force will go right through the immovable object like a ghost. The force cannot stop moving, and the immovable object cannot be moved. That's the only possible solution.
Clearly the unstoppable force will go right through the immovable object like a ghost. The force cannot stop moving, and the immovable object cannot be moved. That's the only possible solution.
Dec 22, 2008 6:55 AM #319684
Ahh.. but that answer would require a piece of the object to temporarly dissappear. Or move out of the way to account for the volume of the unstoppable force-- which would intrude on the whole "unmovable rule"
for example-- if I had a bowl of pudding and stick my hand in it, the pudding must move out of the way for the volume of my hand
my hand and the pudding cant simply mold together.
for example-- if I had a bowl of pudding and stick my hand in it, the pudding must move out of the way for the volume of my hand
my hand and the pudding cant simply mold together.
Dec 22, 2008 6:59 AM #319686
It never occurred to me to think about it, actually.
But, as the object is immovable and the unstoppable force is, well, unstoppable, then the unstoppable force would break through. The immovable object wouldn't move and the unstoppable force wouldn't stop. I can't really think straight at the moment though. With gay jokes to the side.
But, as the object is immovable and the unstoppable force is, well, unstoppable, then the unstoppable force would break through. The immovable object wouldn't move and the unstoppable force wouldn't stop. I can't really think straight at the moment though. With gay jokes to the side.
Dec 22, 2008 7:25 AM #319700
Quote from Nebakenezzer
for example-- if I had a bowl of pudding and stick my hand in it, the pudding must move out of the way for the volume of my hand
my hand and the pudding cant simply mold together.
Well you're talking about real life objects. Since I cannot think of any real-life objects that are truly immovable or unstoppable, I am just explaining it in the only way it could possibly happen. The unstoppable object would have to be able to go through objects as if it were a ghost in order to get past the immovable object. And I'm sure that there is a force like that somewhere in this crazy universe.
Dec 22, 2008 7:33 AM #319710
oh gotcha. Would that really be an object at all? If the unstopable object could just phase through it, it the unstopable would have no mass, thus not making it even an object.
Dec 22, 2008 7:47 AM #319713
Force is determined by an object's mass multiplied by its acceleration. Neither of those two values can physically be infinite, so there's no such thing as an unstoppable force.
An immovable object would be defined through its inertia, which increases with an object's mass. Nothing can have infinite mass, so that can't exist.
Logically and physically the paradox is flawed from the ground up, so sorry, no debate here.
An immovable object would be defined through its inertia, which increases with an object's mass. Nothing can have infinite mass, so that can't exist.
Logically and physically the paradox is flawed from the ground up, so sorry, no debate here.
Dec 22, 2008 8:13 AM #319734
Quote from ProspectForce is determined by an object's mass multiplied by its acceleration. Neither of those two values can physically be infinite,
When I think of an unstoppable force, I just think of something that doesn't need to slow down for anything. It doesn't necessasarily need to move fast at all, and it doesn't need to be big. You're thinking to logically about the whole thing. Of course there are no unstoppable forces that we know of, and we can't even comprehend how one would be possible. But I do think that it is possible for an object to pass through another like I stated, and in that way it is in theory "unstoppable." With all the weird quantum physics and alternate universes and time warps, and string theory and shit, I don't doubt at all that it's possible.
But I'm just talking out my ass right now. Ima go to bed now, kbye.
Dec 22, 2008 9:21 AM #319776
The answer is-
Nothing is immovable, nothing is unstoppable.
Edit:Whoops, didn't read all of the thread.
Nothing is immovable, nothing is unstoppable.
Edit:Whoops, didn't read all of the thread.
Dec 22, 2008 9:24 AM #319783
Quote from ProspectForce is determined by an object's mass multiplied by its acceleration. Neither of those two values can physically be infinite, so there's no such thing as an unstoppable force.
An immovable object would be defined through its inertia, which increases with an object's mass. Nothing can have infinite mass, so that can't exist.
Logically and physically the paradox is flawed from the ground up, so sorry, no debate here.
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Dec 22, 2008 9:26 AM #319785
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Dec 22, 2008 9:27 AM #319786
holy shit i failed hard
Dec 22, 2008 9:59 AM #319834
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Dec 22, 2008 12:28 PM #319912
Oh god Kveyo, how did you actually do that?
Dec 22, 2008 4:38 PM #319997
Quote from muttonheadWhen I think of an unstoppable force, I just think of something that doesn't need to slow down for anything. It doesn't necessasarily need to move fast at all, and it doesn't need to be big. You're thinking to logically about the whole thing. Of course there are no unstoppable forces that we know of, and we can't even comprehend how one would be possible. But I do think that it is possible for an object to pass through another like I stated, and in that way it is in theory "unstoppable." With all the weird quantum physics and alternate universes and time warps, and string theory and shit, I don't doubt at all that it's possible.
But I'm just talking out my ass right now. Ima go to bed now, kbye.
Exilement just gave the scientific answer to you. Any good scientist would recognize instantly that something such as an "immovable" object and "unstoppable" force can not possibly exist, and wouldn't waste his time speculating on what could happen when the two meet.