A Theory Of Movement

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Jan 21, 2009 2:31 AM #342106
Yes, so you can travel through a "Magnification Tunnel" forever. Therefore, distance is infinite in a single point in space.
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Jan 21, 2009 2:34 AM #342111
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.
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Jan 21, 2009 2:41 AM #342118
That means the amount of points in the tunnel are also infinite.
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Jan 21, 2009 3:50 AM #342165
You guys are looking at this the wrong way, and I've had to bring this up in other debates because people seem to see anything deemed as "infinite" to be impossible. For one thing, infinity is a perfectly possible concept. It isn't, however, a number. I had to last bring this up when Pirate made the thread dealing with the chance of having to pick a correct number out of the infinite numbers out there, which he calculated to be "1/infinity". Infinity can't be used in mathematical equations like that, and it seems like some of you are doing that here.

So, here's how I see it.

Between two points there are an infinite amount of "distances" within it. This is a relatively simple claim to make and believe, just as easy as it is to claim that there are an infinite amount of numbers. We can all agree there are an infinite amount of numbers, right? Yeah, we can, don't try to prove it otherwise because you're wrong.

All we're dealing with is the observation of the amount of distances between two points and the method by which we judge their length, which is numerical. If there are an infinite amount of numbers, then the amount of numbers that we can use to define those distances must be infinite as well, as you can reduce a number's size infinitely, to the point of it being an incomprehensibly small number, and then continue reducing it infinitely further.

If the debate is about whether or not an object can cover all of those distances, then this is just ridiculous. There's no claim, equation or proof that says an item can't cover an infinite number of distances. If there is, please post it here so I can dissect it further.

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I'm not talking about the gif...I'm talking about molecules and then atoms and then whatever comes after that, etc.


So you think dividing an item infinitely and "stacking" them would create an infinitely long line?

No.

I can see why you'd think that, but as I learned in trigonometry, you basically create an infinitely repeating decimal, which doesn't equal an infinitely large number. Think of it like this: an item is 1 inch long, you divide it by 10. You get .1, then you keep going, stacking those divided items continuously. You don't wind up with an infinitely large line, you wind up with a line that's 1.11111111111... inches long.

Your example obviously doesn't divide as evenly as that, but it still works essentially the same way.
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Jan 21, 2009 4:26 AM #342190
What exilement says is the truth.
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Jan 21, 2009 5:09 AM #342219
I completely agree with Prospect.
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Jan 21, 2009 5:18 AM #342231
Oh, shit, I forgot he changed his name.

Dammit, why do people keep doing that?

What's Kveyo's name this week?
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Jan 21, 2009 5:43 AM #342251
I did it because this was the only forum that I went by "Exilement" at, and I've been calling myself Prospect through my music for over a year up until now. It's not a huge leap.
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Jan 21, 2009 2:07 PM #342357
Quote from Prosepct
So you think dividing an item infinitely and "stacking" them would create an infinitely long line?

No.

I can see why you'd think that, but as I learned in trigonometry, you basically create an infinitely repeating decimal, which doesn't equal an infinitely large number. Think of it like this: an item is 1 inch long, you divide it by 10. You get .1, then you keep going, stacking those divided items continuously. You don't wind up with an infinitely large line, you wind up with a line that's 1.11111111111... inches long.

Your example obviously doesn't divide as evenly as that, but it still works essentially the same way.


Well you already answered my question but I wasn't talking about dividing, I was talking about magnifying on one single point to infinity.
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Jan 21, 2009 2:26 PM #342365
Mathematically you can.

That's not special, though.
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Jan 21, 2009 2:34 PM #342368
But that means we are traveling through infinity when we move though, right? Or am I not seeing something.
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Jan 21, 2009 7:16 PM #342485
It can only be called "moving through infinity" in the sense that you are making contact with something which can be magnified infinitely. It doesn't mean you are moving through an infinite distance in space, however.
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Jan 21, 2009 9:31 PM #342550
I just find the prospect of infinity really hard to comprehend. Gone are the days when I could believe things to just be made up of lots of little "blobs".
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Jan 21, 2009 9:56 PM #342585
Infinite does not exist,there's just "a lot"
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Jan 21, 2009 10:51 PM #342627
Quote from Tawnik
Infinite does not exist,there's just "a lot"


Uh, no. You're wrong.