Quote from Ash

My issue with you, ashton, is that you insist on using terms that have a proper definition in ways that don't match their definition.

For example, you are saying that God is energy, and yet you aren't talking about an omnipotent being. So why use the term god at all? Same with "soul", and even "energy".

I say soul cause it's the only (known) word I can use at this point in time... I'll try to explain my best!

It is.. In a way, "conscious." Cause one particle of energy has this "soul." It has a vibration of thought. Not as in, "me and the energy particle next to me are going to be put together to make this human..."
It's more of... A plant. That is the easiest example I can give. It runs with thought but not as ours... If you burned a plant it would omit a thought of "pain" (scientists have tests)... So a plant has a soul? Not a human soul like I said, but it's different; it is a level of "conciousness." Now every particle of energy has this different level of "conciousness."

Let's go to your liver and how I think of things... Your human figure and mind itself is created by energy particles. Now if those didn't have a soul what would make up our "thoughts?" Our brain of course! But our brain wouldn't have any thoughts if an energy particle did not know/have experience a "level of thought" of its own!
(If you understand that then move along)
So there is your liver, again, made up of these energy particles... Now what do you see when you say liver in your "mind?" Of course a liver, but thats actually a soul to soul connection since your thoughts are on it... It also has thoughts on you since your liver processes threw your body! If it had no thought than why on earth would it process!? Then you can say well, the brain makes it process! Well of course it doese, but what makes the brain process, the liver and everything connected to the body; which melts down -in the end- to energy... SO energy, and everything energy makes up, uses each other for a "process" of life. That's where "all is one" comes directly from... At least in my point of view. So yes, since energy has a "soul" the liver itself has a "soul" because if that didnt have a "soul" than it would not function properly!

Quote from Zed

This is the only part that I really take issue with at the moment. Your assumption is that because the sum total of the atoms in, lets use a brain as an example, have the capacity to think, therefore each individual atom must have the cpacity to think on some level. You are saying that one billionth of a brain will have one billionth of the thinking power. See but your using mathematical terms, it is nothing I can prove to you; if you went "down" the pathway yourself you would probably understand later... Matters how "far/into" you got.

Now imagine a car. It is made up of many different parts, the steering wheel, the chassis, the tyres, the many, many componants of the engine, etc. As a whole, that car is capable of movement. Now this is the important bit: Any one of those componants alone, will not get very far. If I dismantle the car and leave it in pieces then I am going to be disapointed if I try and use it as a vessle of transportation.
Exactly, and without chi then there would be no car at all... Then if you think of a street it has cars on it... Cause without cars why would there be a street in the first place (with stop lights of course)? And if you think of a town; it has streets in it aswell, with cars. But if there were no car parts then there would be no streets, and no towns with these "streets." So what I am saying is that everything works together, and sarts with energy... That you just proved by the sentence above. And if those things didn't have thier "purposes" in life, then it would not be used and dis-exist... Basically, it is a way to put it... What I think is that everything has a purpose... The rivers, the sun, the earth, and every single thing attatched to it... Including us! And I say you can find this purpose if you find your TRUE self... After that things will appear to you.
(sorry if I babled off, just trying to get you more to explain my "beliefs")

This is, in essence, synergy - the whole is greater (and I use that word loosely) than the sum of its parts. It is greater to you... Cause thats how you were learned to think of it... But without one of these parts that whole wouldn't work... SO all the parts are just as great, and make up a great "thing." An individual atom may have no IQ whatsoever, and yet several billion of them working together can write an essay on human rights. IQ, what is a plants IQ haha... But it is the fact that all there parts working together to create us. Our "process of thought" is on a certain "level" of conciousness. SO yes, i would assume there are other levels...

Just because a brain thinks, it does not mean a brain cell can too.
Like I said when you say think... You are saying it as a brain cell would say, "yah let's work together and do this." No, it's a different process of "thought" (not wordly thoughts or setting of goal thoughts) The thought is... Unexplainable until you have either meditated a lot, or seen it within life itself.
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Also, on my point 5 I was refering to how you said earlier that the future could effect the past. You claimed, if I remember correctly, that if you chose not to use a condom and then had a baby you would regret it so strongly that somehow your past self would "feel" that it might be a good idea to use a condom and avoid the baby at all. I think this causes a paradox because once the baby isn't born there is nothing to warn the past self to use a condom so one won't be worn.
No no no... See it's different, your misunderstanding what I am trying to say... Cause it probably wouldn't "truly" make sense to you until you have experienced it... Again I will try though, might make sense... If I can explain it right.
Have you never had a pulse of fear, threw you, where you KNEW not to do something, but didn't know ON EARTH why.. Most people that feel more of these pulses have more "intuition" as I call it. They know, just by a "6th/third eye" sense that something bad or good will happen... Maybe most don't feel this but I know a lot that have and I aswell have before...
If you havn't had this then you shouldn't keep reading...
NOW this is hard to explain: Since all is one with chi, past, future, present, EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE, that means everything has already been played out in every direction of every way cause chi knows what all is and how all works for it makes it happen. People have predicted the future before, by tapping into the universes chi. But I think everything has it's own chi, and will sense if something "big" that effects us will happen... Once you keep going into the present and going with feelings (even if they are stupid) and connecting to self, the more your aware of your chi, and your life... So the more you do what you feel, things will rapidly change in life; you are "transforming" your old chi to newer chi. Good WILL happen and A LOT of BAD will happen. But what we learn along this pathway is that the bad things that do happen, are lessons from our chi to teach us what IS right and wrong. That's when you start to enter "oneness within self." And this all takes some time. It just matteres how far you keep going, or if you hold on to everything you have cause you can't "see" the good to come out of it... This is all connected to past, present, future...
But like I said since all is within "one" then our own desire of our self wants to shout out at us, or tell us soemthing new... it just matters if your listening or not, and slowly stops when we "mature." I guess you could say you did feel this when you were a kid.
This is the classic "shooting my grandfather and stopping my own birth" paradox that always springs up in paradoxes.
Again, thinking of what I am saying wrongly.
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Also, I think to avoid confusion it would be best if we came up with some new words for these ambiguous terms. Let's say:

"soul" = conself
"energy" = chi
"God" = universe OR all chi. I don't think we need to bring gods into this at all at this stage. Maybe if you wanted to form a cult out of these ideas a little deistic god could fit in but when discussing with atheists it's only gonna get messy.
Great, except of conself... I'll just say inner self, or feelings for chi, and everything connected to it.

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I'm also tempted to put in a request with a mod to move this to the debate section but I won't yet.

Quote from Zed

Ok. I think I vaguely understand the solutions to the apparent time paradoxes now. Yah; like I said you can't TRUELY understand enless you have "witnessed" what I am tlaking about yourself. I'm a little bit worried about how close this is getting to a theistic God but we'll worry about empiricalism later. Wan't to explain about theistic? I want to get logic out of the way first. Understandable, but it really isn't logic that makes this happen, it is quite the opposite.

I think you're misunderstanding my argument on the first bit. I am saying that the motion of the car is binary. Either the car will go, or it won't. If there is a piece missing it will not go. The pieces themselves have no intrinsic propensity towards movement, you need the thing as a whole.
Yes true; but as you and I said earlier, if you don't have the parts, it wouldn't be a whole. And to have each part means that there all very important, on us to! So if one part didn't function then we would just be
-non exictent- and thats what I love about it... It's so perfect, yet we don't normally understand what perfection is... We think of it as everything is fine, going well, nothing to "complain" about- but perfection is just in every single object that you see, because it is visible there to you...
If one thing was wrong, if we were a little closer or farther from sun we would die, so what makes the world so evenly turn around it? And that goes for everything else in existence, why does it do it, if it had no point it would become "extinct." Then we look at the world like everything else and pout it into our own "terms." Thats where our brain comes in... We think of things in a manner of what people of the past created! We calculate if soemthing will land where, or how things "work." But how we think is only a part of the whole Universe itself; without IT we wouldn't have things to make into mathematical terms... We wan't to understand things in our own way, soo, they show in our own way...
This is hard to explain aswell so bare with me on this... The people who founded math, or founded anything of what we think about, and how we think of it, they found themselves; and through what? The Universe of course! We looked at things and "created" our own way of thinking to "understand" what things are around us. We think it just revolves around the human because we have what we witness of a mind.
But there is no way for me to prove you wrong, or for you to do the same to me, that everything has it's own inner sense... Until you actual experience it.
All=One, but the fact is that we are here now... If those people have founded there "own way" into the world/to understand of things, what makes you think that way is yours also? You could/SHOULD be thinking "your own way," and to do this you connect to life and your inner self. learn more about it through your own "teachings", and things will be shown the way they should be, cause its how YOU were supposed to understand the world..


Now then, what you have said earlier is that humans have a innerself and also a atom has an inner self, although it may be of a different nature to that of a human. I am saying that a human only has an inner self when all the pieces come together, if you remove componants from the human it will have no inner self at all. Yes thats cause the human becomes non existent, just as a car would, and whatever "bactierias" or things that are left will be used for something else-but if these things/chi had no "level" of awareness, then I dont understand how we would... Or anything else would, and if they did how on earth could you explain they existed? You couldn't, enless you experienced or witnessed this your self. It will be dead. I don't see any reason to suspect that an individual particle has its own inner self.

Quote from ashton777

But it IS all the reason, cause if they didn't have inner awareness, we wouldn't; these "pieces" that create us would HAVE to understand some type of thought, or like I said, things wouldn't even function in the first place!
IF things didn't understand that of whats around themselves, (or didn't have some type of awareness) then theres no way for them to work together to create the WHOLE in itself.. So what would that leave if they couldn't work together to create us, the universe, the cars; it would leave.. nothing... The fact that something is here now, is proof "in my way of thinking" that everything has life/inner awareness.

Quote from New Generation

Every brain is capable of defeating another brain.

Quote from New Generation

So let me sum this up:

If you have the WILL, positive thinking then you will succeed. Will is everything. Btw I believe in soul energy. When you die you don't know where you will go but some believe that you will be transferred into another human with no memory or animal.

Notice the bold WILL. If you have the will, you will succed in whatever you do. NO point in arguing. End of story.

Every brain is capable of defeating another brain.

Quote from New Generation

So let me sum this up:

If you have the WILL, positive thinking then you will succeed. Will is everything. Btw I believe in soul energy. When you die you don't know where you will go but some believe that you will be transferred into another human with no memory or animal.

Notice the bold WILL. If you have the will, you will succed in whatever you do. NO point in arguing. End of story.

Every brain is capable of defeating another brain.

Quote from ashton777

Omg, am I not saying anything clearly!? I never said they literally think, the fact that they bond and move around is a type of knowing whats going on.

(and no about the theistic god.)

New Generation: I don't know what your reading or where you got that from; out of what I said..? This soul energy is not what I think of things as either, all your talking about it more - law of attraction, and pttuing "will" or "mind power" into things that you can see and you want... But again, how do you know you truley want those things, there could, and is something esle that can make you 100x happier. You just havn't seen it since you are blocking your true self with dis-honest wants and needs.

ScHall; true, you can't get what you always want. (obviously) Until you know exactly what your full desire intent is to get; thats the thing that makes you "100x happier." And to find that full desire intent, you have to find your inner/true self. When you know what you want with full desire than your connected to... Something unimaginably different, and you learn when you search for this tresure, for it teaches you lessons along the way.

Automation: I have no way to prove you wrong. Or you to prove me right... Saying look at science wont help either, they can't prove if an energy molecule doesn't have type of thought...