The thing is. Will is the power to go on, never give up. The brain is capable of learning a lot. Even a dumbass kid who then learns to go on, have the will to succeed. Then he will succeed.But it also has to do with motivation, but that's just human needs.

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The thing is. Will is the power to go on, never give up. The brain is capable of learning a lot. Even a dumbass kid who then learns to go on, have the will to succeed. Then he will succeed.But it also has to do with motivation, but that's just human needs.

What are you talking about? Motivation isn't one of the human needs.

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Omg, am I not saying anything clearly!? I never said they literally think, the fact that they bond and move around is a type of knowing whats going on.

(and no about the theistic god.)

New Generation: I don't know what your reading or where you got that from; out of what I said..? This soul energy is not what I think of things as either, all your talking about it more - law of attraction, and pttuing "will" or "mind power" into things that you can see and you want... But again, how do you know you truley want those things, there could, and is something esle that can make you 100x happier. You just havn't seen it since you are blocking your true self with dis-honest wants and needs.

ScHall; true, you can't get what you always want. (obviously) Until you know exactly what your full desire intent is to get; thats the thing that makes you "100x happier." And to find that full desire intent, you have to find your inner/true self. When you know what you want with full desire than your connected to... Something unimaginably different, and you learn when you search for this tresure, for it teaches you lessons along the way.

Automation: I have no way to prove you wrong. Or you to prove me right... Saying look at science wont help either, they can't prove if an energy molecule doesn't have type of thought...

So the whole thing about particles and thought was really just saying that they obey the laws of physics?

So far I can't find anything that you've said which is different from either comonly accepted scientific theory or a current hypothesis which cannot be tested but is as equally likely as anything else.

Basically your philosophy is science but dressed up in ambiguous religious words.


Edit: On reflection I think maybe you're suggesting that a form of meditation is necessary in order to work out what you actually want. That would be newish.

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Edit: On reflection I think maybe you're suggesting that a form of meditation is necessary in order to work out what you actually want. That would be newish.

Not new at all. It's something I've advocated for a while and I got it from my own dabblings into new age philosophical bullshit. I've seen/heard this concept a lot and I perform it as often as I can. But all the stupid explanations are unnecessary and detract from the obvious utility of the technique. I mean, it shouldn't come as a surprise that when you quiet down all thoughts except for your subconscious, the most deeply held/felt ideas, etc will be made clear to you. Meditation is a way of relaxing after/before your daily sensor overload(due to living in the modern world) and listening to yourself by blocking out distractions. It's not mystical in any sense and doesn't need explanation.

I would disagree, personally. I think that thinking things through quietly will change what you want into something more desirable/realistic, but you would still have wanted what you wanted before. Right now I want a bar of chocolate. Nothing will change the fact that on this day at 2:45 Zed wanted a bar of chocolate, however if I 'meditate' on it for a while I might decide that the health benefits of not eating the chocolate outweigh the temporary serotonin boost I would get if I did eat it. History would record that at 2:50 Zed did not want the chocolate but the origional fact (that at 2:45 Zed did want a bar of chocolate) remains unchanged.

You must know that's not how it works. He's not saying to use meditation to find out what you want from day to day, hour to hour. It's the "soul's" desires. It's what you realize would satisfy you completely. What you truly want with your life. It's supposed to be a spiritual understanding you achieve at a deeper level than your conscious, muddied and confused self.

Ah. There's the mystical stuff we were missing. And for those of us who don't believe in the existence of souls? I still think that what appears to be the desires of the soul is just you having thought about it more thoroughly. Lots of things seem very different when you actually stop and look at them.

I don't believe in a soul. I'm an atheist with no superstitious leanings of any sort. I was merely interpreting for him. As I said, it's very obvious (without any religious mumbo-jumbo), that slowing down to think about something more thoroughly and in a different light will lead to a greater understanding of that thing. But he takes it a step further into belief and supernatural designs, etc. and that's where it goes to hell. If he would leave his "advice" at the meditation phase alone, he would receive a warmer welcome, as far as I'm concerned.

Alright I am done trying to explain this thing about thought with atoms, you can say you won, or w/e thats fine by me, I just cannot explain it anymore because you would have to "witness" it yourself...

OGrilla: It's fine your an atheist, keep going with what you FEEL is right and patterens will unravel. (pathways/roads) -- In my... "religon?" haha, thats funny, I find it nothing as a religon or belief of any sort, just something I learned throughout time... Maybe I'll be shown soemthing new, probably...


And Zed; Ogrilla was rgiht in a way to what I was saying. You don't meditate on a subject specific for what you want to find out. You just try to relax your brain all the time, as much as you can remember, so in a way constant meditation; but its about living in present time, cause when your in present time and you are meditating, you will "notice" and do what you feel is right when time comes... The more you connect to your inner self/meditate in the present you become one with who you are... You will find out what you want, even if you think you know; theres always more. But when things appear, or you feel a nudge to do something, do it! Thats the first step, learning these urges, cause it's from your inner self, and once you actually understand that and go with it more, you will find out more, and understand how life can be a lot different.

Fair enough. I still hold that this is nothing more than a bit of reasonable philosophical cosmology and cognitive psychology dressed up in religious-sounding words but whatever you want to call it is fine by me. As long as you don't want to bring God into this I think I broadly agree.

I didn't try to make it religous sounding; sorry for the misinturpretations. And it is an every day thing that all know but don't really "use."