KD, what you are forgetting is that, once a report of a firearms is reported to the police specialist firearms-trained policemen come in vans and surround the area. A regular policeman without a gun would not be called to such a scene. These specialist firearm crews can get there just as fast.

Also, KD, you don't need a policeman to carry a gun for normal cases of theft or a mugging. What "no guns" has shown is that situations can be handled without their use. It has shown that handling situations professionaly and without extreme violence can lead to it being safer for everyone involved.

In response to Schall, I don't think at all that it's dumb, it shows that our country doesn't need to kill people to end crime.

Again, KD, why are the police dumb? In the UK they solve as many cases as other countries, maybe even more. We are leaders in forensic evidence and solving crimes.

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in mexico, their police have slingshots.

Lol

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...You are kidding me, I thought that had to be a rumor.

What, that the regular police on the street don't carry guns? No, they don't, and as a result criminals feel less need to arm themselves and the public are safer. To date the total number of British police shot dead is not in triple figures. That's a brilliant record next to the countries which do carry guns. (KD's stats earlier include blunt instruments, knives, thrown missiles and spontaneous combustion. They are also not limited to the beat officers who are in less danger than others). Of course there are armed response units as well and the SAS are on call for extreme specialist situations but regular police do perfectly well without the damn things.

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That's exactely what policemen just can't do. That's not what they're educated to do. They are there to save lives, not to just shoot someone who looks suspicious, dick.

That one was a specialist case. The guy was a suspected terrorist and he ran to a train when the police tried to arrest him. Also, the people doing the arresting were, I believe, MI5 agents within the COBRA unit, not police.

in soviet russia, da police **** u!

What you're forgetting is that a policeman, may only be the one in so many miles, and he might have to take evasive action. If he doesn't have a gun, than he can't do so, and the victim may end up dead.

Nevertheless, I get what you are all saying, and I shall take this argument no further.

But policeman should have the right to beat someone up (doing a crime), and not get a law suit against it.

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in soviet russia, da police **** u!

In Zedville u **** the police. They're there for your entertainment only.

But that's not what we're discussing here. This is about how much force the police can use and whether they should be armed.

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What you're forgetting is that a policeman, may only be the one in so many miles, and he might have to take evasive action. If he doesn't have a gun, than he can't do so, and the victim may end up dead.

You've been watching too many horror films my lad. American made most likely. The Texas chainsaw massacre did not really happen.

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What you're forgetting is that a policeman, may only be the one in so many miles, and he might have to take evasive action. If he doesn't have a gun, than he can't do so, and the victim may end up dead.

You simply do not understand how it works.

What you're missing is, this guy won't be called. The emergency services will call straight to the gun control unit or whatever it's called through the police. Regular police won't be asked to deal with this, and, if the criminal is going to shoot this person they'll shoot them anyway if they want to, police or no police present.

The firearms unit will never shoot a man on site, they will give him the oppurtunity to drop his gun. If he shoots anyone then he'll get shot himself.

Think about it. If you really want to shoot someone, you'll shoot them. You can shoot them and run away, imagine you're both in a house on your own. How will the police find out? They do their job as effectively and professionaly as possible as soon as they get there. The only real issues are finding out about the crime (someone has to report it) and how long it will take to get there.

*buckles under pressure*

*runs away from thread*

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*buckles under pressure*

*runs away from thread*

Awww. Ustartin, you frightened it.

Victory for the unarmed, defenceless little guys!

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Victory for the unarmed, defenceless little guys!

**smart, intelligent, controlled, merciful, reslient, well-trained

*pokes his head inside the thread*

*seeing the badger in ustartin's picture*

*cries*

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**smart, intelligent, controlled, merciful, reslient, well-trained

I'm gonna tick the "all of the above" box and move stealthily back onto the topic that this thread was for origionaly.

If the guy didn't want the crap beaten out of him then why the hell didn't he just open the boot?

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in mexico, their police have slingshots.

I'm 93.6 percent sure you are joking here, but if not I really doubt that. Considering all the cartel and shit.

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I'm gonna tick the "all of the above" box and move stealthily back onto the topic that this thread was for origionaly.

If the guy didn't want the crap beaten out of him then why the hell didn't he just open the boot?

Because its his right to refuse a search if probable cause is not given?

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Because its his right to refuse a search if probable cause is not given?

But in this instance attempting to hold on to that last shred of illusionary dignity that he thought he had he was obviously going to have to give up several hours of his time and seriously piss some other people off. It was obvious from the outset that the best path for everyone would be if he just let them look in his car for five minutes instead of being a cunt. It's not even as though he had anything to hide. If he'd had a small stash of weed in the car then fair enough, play it by the book and try to get out of there without getting yourself arrested but in instances like this it must be better to bend the rules slightly.

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*pokes his head inside the thread*

*seeing the badger in ustartin's picture*

*cries*

You're not funny, dude.


Well, the case here is a little over the top, still. Yes, it was dumb of him to refuse, but that's not a reason to beat him down like that.