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Which is why I don't think the government taking control like this is always a bad thing.

The government only needs to take control to get the country out of crisis. Major change is unnecessary when things are fine.

If you could find me the statistics of how much crime has been reduced by your government's cameras that would be nice. Also the effects of crime on the average person, because the way I see it it isn't all that much. (I know you can recite "80% of people are effected by crime in some way or another" off the top of your head but that is an irrelevant statistic. What kind of crime? Was it their relative who was effected by the crime? Friend acquaintence? )

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And those figures will be in the statistics I asked for.

Find them yourself. Google's right there.

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But then if they have a gun they can shoot people willy-nilly.

Yeah, so would you rather have a gun so you could shoot back or have to wait 10 minutes for a "special armed-police" to arrive?

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Find them yourself. Google's right there.



Yeah, so would you rather have a gun so you could shoot back or have to wait 10 minutes for a "special armed-police" to arrive?

I think I would rather not have a magnum pulled on me and having my brains splattered on the sidewalk behind me.

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I think I would rather not have a magnum pulled on me and having my brains splattered on the sidewalk behind me.

Who are you trying to be in that statement? The mugger?

Yeah, I might give a shit what you thought if you weren't MUGGING ME.

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Find them yourself. Google's right there.

That sounds like an incitation to statistical analysis to me. Yay. My weekend is complete.

@Schwa: those figures include violent crime, severe property damage, murder, rape, assault, burglary, and car theft. They are averaged out over all of America.

Brb with my fun look at the effectiveness of guns.

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Who are you trying to be in that statement? The mugger?

Yeah, I might give a shit what you thought if you weren't MUGGING ME.

No I'm talking about any standard situation where shit goes wrong and I get shot in the face

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No I'm talking about any standard situation where shit goes wrong and I get shot in the face

You're right, I would much rather be stabbed repeatedly in the neck and gut by someone who has the intent to kill me rather than be shot in the head.

Brb with my fun look at the effectiveness of cameras

"hey that guy got robbed"

"calling the police then man"

"nah too late he found a payphone"

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You're right, I would much rather be stabbed repeatedly in the neck and gut by someone who has the intent to kill me rather than be shot in the head.

At least I could fight back and have a chance to survive.

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No I'm talking about any standard situation where shit goes wrong and I get shot in the face

I don't understand what the **** you are saying. Who are "you" in this arguement, the mugger or the victim?

If you were the victim then of course you wouldn't want to get shot in the face. That's why you have your OWN gun.

If you're the mugger then of course you wouldn't want to get shot in the face. Too bad you are STEALING MY MONEY AND POTENTIALLY ASSAULTING ME, which deserves a shot in the face.

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I don't understand what the **** you are saying. Who are "you" in this arguement, the mugger or the victim?

If you were the victim then of course you wouldn't want to get shot in the face. That's why you have your OWN gun.

If you're the mugger then of course you wouldn't want to get shot in the face. Too bad you are STEALING MY MONEY AND POTENTIALLY ASSAULTING ME, which deserves a shot in the face.

If I was the victim and dont comply and he draws first he's obviously going to get the first shot and I'm dead Simple as

My fellow prostitutes.

As much as I enjoy this this thread isn't primarily about guns and gun control. While it is semi-related I think you should drop the topic.

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If I was the victim and dont comply and he draws first he's obviously going to get the first shot and I'm dead Simple as

Except no, you wouldn't get to the place where you're in that situation and if you were it's actually pretty easy to get out of. Especially with the gun.

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Except no, you wouldn't get to the place where you're in that situation and if you were it's actually pretty easy to get out of. Especially with the gun.

Did I mention standard situations? Or my brains on the pavement?

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Did I mention standard situations? Or my brains on the pavement?

I'm glad you Britains have started calling muggings a standard procedure.