I'm an atheist. Mom doesn't know, Dad does. He keeps quiet about religion, but he says he doesn't believe in a loving god. I go to Church, cause Mom thinks I believe.

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40 historians lived in or around where Jesus supposedly lived. None mention his existance.

That is not Proof!

A link to proving that statement is Proof!

I wouldn't put effort into fulfilling someone else's needs through the internet though.=/

My history teacher told us. :/.

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40 historians lived in or around where Jesus supposedly lived. None mention his existance.

Jesus was a historical figure you ignorant buffoon.

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It's founder was a Jew named Jesus. Jesus was born around 4 B.C. in Bethlehem.

From my World History book.

Most Historians are in agreement that Jesus existed.

Yeah. I agree that he probably existed, but was just another guy.

I saw a thing on discovery channel awhile ago about Jesus and possible explanations to him being the son of god. He used the current popular religion of the time to basically battle the [what Jesus thought] corrupted government that is based on that religion. If you've ever seen V for Vendetta, its sort of like that, he was just very clever. As for rising again after he was crucified he was given an anesthesia [the stuff doctors use to make you go to sleep] and pronounced dead [remember that pronouncing someone dead wasn't as accurate as it is today] then he was promptly buried, he wakes up, and walks out of the tomb, he probably died shortly after that from the loss of blood. Then two women enter the tomb and find no body. Rumors circulate and at the primitive time and the thoughts of him being the son of god create a story of him coming back from the grave as stated in the bible.

As for his "miracles" the disciples probably traveled around disguising themselves so they look like several travelers coming through and spreading stories of these miracles eventually their spread around the towns repeated over and over again until they become incredibly wild stories, in turn they become accepted as truths. Some miracles might have actually occurred, but by todays standards they wouldn't be miracles, just modern medicine. But during that primitive time they would be considered miracles.

Jesus was just a clever person who tried to over throw a government by using religion as a weapon. Nothing more.

They actually they did, the mandrake bulb [its a real plant, not a thing form harry potter, look it up] its a natural anesthesia that grows around where he was crucified, it was administered via a wet sponge used for feeding the crucified people. Its possible the soldier tasked with feeding him felt sorry for him and gave him the anesthesia to ease the pain, similar to the way surgeons use it today. The mandrake bulb isn't as potent as todays anesthesias but it gets the job done. The soldier may have used to much making the sleep last longer making the soldier think he died or perhaps he helped plan an "escape" for Jesus by using the mandrake bulb to make him appear dead.

It all sounds wild when you think about it but alot less wild than "rising from the grave"

EDIT: I looked it up myself and the mandrake is actually poisonous, and like alot of poisons when used in the right dose can knock a person out and put them to sleep.

Oh, yeah, less wild, I agree. But I mean were soldiers intelligent enough back then to know the right amount to put someone to sleep, but not kill them (on account of the poison)?

It's just a few holes in the theory. We can't know anything for sure unless we go back in time, for sure.

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As for rising again after he was crucified he was given an anesthesia [the stuff doctors use to make you go to sleep] and pronounced dead [remember that pronouncing someone dead wasn't as accurate as it is today] then he was promptly buried, he wakes up, and walks out of the tomb, he probably died shortly after that from the loss of blood. Then two women enter the tomb and find no body. Rumors circulate and at the primitive time and the thoughts of him being the son of god create a story of him coming back from the grave as stated in the bible.

Ok, I'd like to say that this can't be true.

If you take the Bible literally in it's story of Jesus being crucified, you'll see that it is physically impossible.

First, he was scourged. Basically, it's like being hit with 8 whips, on the end of each being a piece of animal bone (Sharp as hell).
This pretty much rips all the flesh off the back of one's body.
(Some people who were crucified died right here.)
I've held one of these before and about 2 good whacks rips apart a carboard box, which is much stronger than human skin.

The next part was the actual crucifixion. Having a nail rammed through your wrist destroys pretty much all the nerves and blood vessels in the area.
(Yes, it was through the wrists, not the hands like so many pictures depict.)

Also, they nailed one right through his feet between the 2nd and 3rd toe of each.

Then all of his weight was supported by these three points, causing the nail in his foot to rip directly up and lodge in the crevice between the toe bones.

You cannot breath in this position, so you have to lift yourself up to breathe out and let yourself back down to breathe in. Imagine doing that for upwards of 6 hours.

After that, before they took him down, they pierced his side with a spear and "blood and water" came out.
There is a sac of water-like material surrounding the heart, so we can assume his heart was pierced along with one lung.

He was then taken to the tomb (You think someone would have noticed him breathing if he was unconcious) and put under approx 100 pounds of spices.
He laid like that for 3 days.

How do you suppose he got up after all that, rolled away a stone that took 3 men to put in place, and walk around healthy, if all this actually happened?

Most people don't really know what it was like to be crucified.

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Oh, yeah, less wild, I agree. But I mean were soldiers intelligent enough back then to know the right amount to put someone to sleep, but not kill them (on account of the poison)?

It's just a few holes in the theory. We can't know anything for sure unless we go back in time, for sure.

Of course this is all theory, I find it more believable than what the bible says.

Well its possible that the poison its very potent. Which means that the poison might not be lethal or that its not very precise in order to get it to knock some one out. It might also be possible that the soldier had knowledge of how much was needed even if it had to precise, he could have gone to someone who had the knowledge. All he would have to do would be go to an apothecary [or the equivalent in that day and age] and ask for something to knock someone out for a period of time the apothecary could give him JUST the amount he needed to avoid screwups. Similar to Juliet's plot to escape in Romeo and Juliet

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Ok, I'd like to say that this can't be true.

If you take the Bible literally in it's story of Jesus being crucified, you'll see that it is physically impossible.

First, he was scourged. Basically, it's like being hit with 8 whips, on the end of each being a piece of animal bone (Sharp as hell).
This pretty much rips all the flesh off the back of one's body.
(Some people who were crucified died right here.)
I've held one of these before and about 2 good whacks rips apart a carboard box, which is much stronger than human skin.
First off cardboard is weaker than human skin, but I will admit that alot of people crucified probably died right then and there, but its defiantly possible to survive being crucified
The next part was the actual crucifixion. Having a nail rammed through your wrist destroys pretty much all the nerves and blood vessels in the area.
(Yes, it was through the wrists, not the hands like so many pictures depict.)

Also, they nailed one right through his feet between the 2nd and 3rd toe of each.

Then all of his weight was supported by these three points, causing the nail in his foot to rip directly up and lodge in the crevice between the toe bones.
They dis proved that, it IS thtough the hands, people say that it would tear up the hand and he would fall down, they showed a forensics expert "crucifying" a man [they used gloves instead of nailing through the hand] first with just the hands asking if the man felt any stress, the man felt stress in his upper body from his weight, as soon as they "nailed" his feet in [they used like a belt instead] he felt much better and could be there all day, they also show video of religious believers volunteering to be nailed to a cross, they were nailed through the hands.
You cannot breath in this position, so you have to lift yourself up to breathe out and let yourself back down to breathe in. Imagine doing that for upwards of 6 hours.
It is possible to breathe in the position stated above, and honsetly if you were pierced through the wrist loss of blood would be ore of a threat than not breathing
After that, before they took him down, they pierced his side with a spear and "blood and water" came out.
There is a sac of water-like material surrounding the heart, so we can assume his heart was pierced along with one lung.
It is possible they killed him with spear, some people survive the crucifixion and are put to death in this manner, the body could have been grave robbed, or taken by animals for food. Because even with my theory of him walking out hes never heard from again so both theorys are plausible.
He was then taken to the tomb (You think someone would have noticed him breathing if he was unconcious) and put under approx 100 pounds of spices.
He laid like that for 3 days.

How do you suppose he got up after all that, rolled away a stone that took 3 men to put in place, and walk around healthy, if all this actually happened?
Who says he laid there for 3 days? Was there a watch? No. He could have left any time during those 3 days, whither by his own will, grave robbers, animals, or even the disciples for that matter. In order to make it appear that he rose from the grave. Remember, according to my theory they were using religion as a weapon, which means that it would make sense to the people of that time for Jesus to be resurrected since he was the son of god, ,making people believe even more, it worked so well that the belief has lasted for thousands of years.
Most people don't really know what it was like to be crucified.

Response's in bold.

I think you'll bring up next that the disciples were surprised by Judas betrayal and didn't really have much time to plan for this. Well during the last supper Jesus said one of them would betray him, Judas, the only disciple he considered his friend. He then tells Judas to "do what he must" The other disciples would assume since its the last supper that he was going to go help feed to poor or something similar, he then goes alerts the guards of Jesus' position, they eventually take Jesus away and Judas gets paid. Getting paid for tips like that is common and can be thrown aside as a reason to throw Jesus to the guards. Judas then goes and informs the disciples with possibly a letter from Jesus informing them of their plan, he probably didn't tell them everything before he was capture because they would not allow him to do it.

This is all theory of course, none of this can be proved. =P

or, you know... his disciples could have just taken him out :|

lol I just edited my post saying that =P

its just kinda like,

"Oh Jesus is gone."
"HE ****ING ROSE FROM THE DEAD"
"There are, like, 12 sets of footprints and trackmarks from the bed he wa-"
"I SAID HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND IM WRITING IT SO **** YOU."

Lol, actually the foot prints could be seen as the people who buried him, or the footprints could have been erased, it IS the oldest trick in the book. =P