So this leads to the moral question, the needs of some (obama) or the needs of many (5 men).
To be honest I'd go with the needs of one. I wouldn't do anything to try and divert the train knowing I couldn't stop it.
Objective morality
Started by: Ash | Replies: 49 | Views: 2,155
Jul 28, 2009 5:03 PM #467765
Aug 31, 2009 6:16 PM #481456
Though this doesn't have much realitivity to the discussion...
Another change in the senario. What if there was a way to save that one man and the other five, but at that losing your own life in exchange for saving all six people?
Would that be viewed as suicide? If one loses a life for another, directly or indirectly?
I just need an answer to clear my head of it.
Another change in the senario. What if there was a way to save that one man and the other five, but at that losing your own life in exchange for saving all six people?
Would that be viewed as suicide? If one loses a life for another, directly or indirectly?
I just need an answer to clear my head of it.
Sep 1, 2009 6:54 AM #481906
Quote from shayphisThough this doesn't have much realitivity to the discussion...
Another change in the senario. What if there was a way to save that one man and the other five, but at that losing your own life in exchange for saving all six people?
Would that be viewed as suicide? If one loses a life for another, directly or indirectly?
I just need an answer to clear my head of it.
Depending on whether or not you are looking at it from a moral, or legal standpoint, it could be thought of as two different categorizations.
One being Suicide, which would most likely be how people see it in a legal manner. The other being sacrifice, which is how from a moral point of view i would imagine it being. If you were to kill yourself(directly or indirectly) to save 6 people, you would most likely be marked as a suicide when it came down to the law. But as far as other people saw it, you would be morally marked as a self sacrificer.
But then again, if it was a person, who was giving you this choice: "Kill yourself, or they die." you would have been murdered... assisted murder i think it is... or something like that.
Of course though, a man pushing two children out of the way of a vehicle and being struck down instead, is technically the same thing(a man giving his life for others) I believe that in such a situation, even legally, he would be recognized as a self sacrificing individual. or infact, a... manslaughter(?) victim.
I think I said what I meant to say in a really confusing way, but... there was an attempt at explaining. lulz. :Smile:
Sep 3, 2009 3:40 PM #483181
:3 Well I guess what you said clears my head enough.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Sep 7, 2009 8:34 PM #485056
I don't believe in objective morality. Sure, the choice which affects the greatest number of people positively at first glance may be all happy and whatnot, but even then it's still one's opinion whether helping someone is morally right.
Then we get into the whole "If I help this person, will he enslave and kill entire communities of people?". Will saving someone's life, or helping them up from the ground really benefit them? Will helping them destroy another person? It's impossible to know. Perhaps you can be completely "morally wrong" when you're trying to be the opposite.
Then we get into the whole "If I help this person, will he enslave and kill entire communities of people?". Will saving someone's life, or helping them up from the ground really benefit them? Will helping them destroy another person? It's impossible to know. Perhaps you can be completely "morally wrong" when you're trying to be the opposite.