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People do not want to see the murderer tortured you sick fuck. If you think people want to see torture then you've never seen or read about real torture, that shit is disgusting.

People may want to physically see the person who took the life of their loved ones, at the worst point in their life. I can't imagine who would want that, but i don't know. i can't speak for anyone. and neither can you unless you have had someone close to you get murdered. I have and i know how it feels. the hatred for the person is so great it makes you sick to your stomach. you want to see their limbs ripped from their bodies. so if it makes me a sick f*** to see the murderer of my loved one hurt, then i guess im sorry, and i guess i am a sick f***. but i really dont care. thats how i feel. if you dont agree, o well. haha and a sick f*** is someone who porks it to 2 girls 1 cup

Liquid, as I have said, the mere fact that people have been killed on death row and later were shown to be innocent is reason enough to abolish the death penalty.

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I have and i know how it feels. the hatred for the person is so great it makes you sick to your stomach. you want to see their limbs ripped from their bodies.

Well that's not how I felt at all. My uncle was murdered, see? (Well in my books it should have been counted as manslaughter but the legal system is funny like that.) Now, if I had been there at the time, I would have been very fucking pissed off, chances are I would have killed or severely hurt the guy. But here's the thing, I met the guy a month or so later, after I'd stopped becoming so emotional about it. He was genuinely sorry and I honestly doubt he'd do it again if given the chance. He actually seemed a pretty decent guy. See now, I don't hate the guy, I hate what he did, I think think the 15 years he got is reasonable given the circumstances, and even that seems like a waste of life. And I would absolutely HATE to see the guy tortured, it would bring me no satisfaction what so ever.

Honestly, there are no one size fits all punishments for these kind of things, and personally I think you're lying about someone close t you being murdered.

I'm assuming this guy has never seen real torture. And torture to anybody or anything is illegal in the United States under any circumstances.

That doesn't stop the CIA.

wink wink

See, in your case Myself, the Death Penalty doesn't suit the crime. Where as someone going on a killing spree and getting caught deserves to be killed. Like all of the guys who do the high school shootings, if they didn't kill themselves they don't deserve sympathy. Just a simple bullet.

Manslaughter is a little different than having your sister raped and shot in the back of the head while she is babysitting you. i have seen torture. but some people view things differently. look at the number of views on the video of saddam hussein's hanging. imagine how many people will watch the death of osama bin laden. they want the satisfaction of knowing the person will never do what they did again. not just a promise. Some of you guys can't relate to the situation, but some of you can. and for those of you who can, you understand the hatred, and fall to humanly anger. but for those who can't relate, dont try to act all saintly and god-like. trying to be like the super hero of the forums. and as for lying about who was murdered, thats bull. you don't know me. yes i was to young to understand what happened or what was going on. but i did eventually grow up and realization did hit. different people have different views and different levels of hatred for the people. Mine is more severe just due to me being an angry person in general, so i am more apt to think irrationally about something. had nothing happened to my sister, i would also want to get rid of the death penalty as i practically does nothing. but since something did happen, i hate all criminals. i despise them with every part of my body

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Manslaughter is a little different than having your sister raped and shot in the back of the head while she is babysitting you. i have seen torture.
No you haven't.

but some people view things differently. look at the number of views on the video of saddam hussein's hanging. imagine how many people will watch the death of osama bin laden. they want the satisfaction of knowing the person will never do what they did again.
True.

not just a promise. Some of you guys can't relate to the situation, but some of you can. and for those of you who can, you understand the hatred, and fall to humanly anger.
How can you relate? Explain.

but for those who can't relate, dont try to act all saintly and god-like. trying to be like the super hero of the forums.
We're debating we're not saints.

and as for lying about who was murdered, thats bull. you don't know me. yes i was to young to understand what happened or what was going on. but i did eventually grow up and realization did hit.
What the **** are you talking about?

different people have different views and different levels of hatred for the people. Mine is more severe just due to me being an angry person in general, so i am more apt to think irrationally about something.
So are you saying by saying your thoughts are "irrational" that your thoughts are bullshit?

had nothing happened to my sister, i would also want to get rid of the death penalty as i practically does nothing. but since something did happen, i hate all criminals. i despise them with every part of my body
Ah, so your sister was raped and killed then?

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Edit: This was directed at likwid metal. Flood managed to ninja me in the hlf hour it took to find and type the quote.

Quote from "John Grisham - The Innocent Man; non-fiction, on the exeution of Charles Troy Coleman (3 counts of murder in the first degree) based on accounts from prison guards, inmates, and, most notably, Greg Wilhoit - convicted of murder in the first degree and then later found innocent, who, having met the inmates on death row, had staunchly supported the death penalty."

Greg Wilhoit and Coleman had become friends, though they argued bitterly over the death penalty .

The Row ws quiet and heavily secured the night Coleman was executed. The circus was outside the prison, where the press counted down the minutes as if a New Year were approaching. Greg was in his cell, watching it all on television. Just after midnight, the news arrived - Charles Troy Coleman was dead.

Several inmates clapped and cheered; most sat quietly in their cells. Some were in prayer.

Greg's reaction was completely unexpected. He was suddenly overcome with emotion and bitter at those who cheered the news. His friend was gone. The world was not now a safer place. Not a single future killer would be deterred; he knew killers and what prompted them to act. If the victim's family was pleased, then they were far from closure. Greg had been raised in a Methodist church and now studied the Bible every day. Didn't Jesus teach forgiveness? If killing was wrong, then why was the state allowed to kill? By whose authority was the execution carried out? He's been hit with these arguments before, many times, but now they resonated from a different source.

The death of Charles Coleman was a dramatic revelation for Greg. At that moment he flipped 180 degrees, never to return to his eye-for-an-eye beliefs.

That was the execution of a guilty man, and it caused more sorrow and hardship than it relieved.

You say you want the person who shot your sister executed. I believe you want to see him suffer the harshest possible punishment that the state can give. I would feel the same. The difference is, I live in a country without the death penalty, therefore my desire is for him to go to prison for the rest of his life.

A life sentance takes away your life. Think of all the things that you intend to do with the rest of your life. You can make something of it. You could get married, have kids, start a family, and get a good job. You could see the world and have fun. A person in prison has none of that. Day in, day out, he will see the same people he hates, be in the same shitty places, eat the same horrible food. His life has no purpose or meaning. It is existence without substance. It is hopeless.

When someone goes to prison for life, they are attoning for their crimes, whatever they may be. That is as bad as it gets. You want the death penalty because you believe that it is both as bad as it gets, and a viable option. I am telling you it is neither.

Also, don't go taking the moral high ground with me, sunshine. I fully appreciate that the world is not always a nice place where we can all be happy all the time, but it can be a damn sight happier than the death penalty will make it.

Capital punishment should be eye for an eye. You are guility of first degree murder and had all intention to do so, you should either get life in jail or death. Both are the only true ways to repent.

Although capital punishment methods should be painless. Justice wins. Torture is cruel... no matter who the person.

Flood, i'm not saying my thoughts are bull shit, but i don't think them through. i become tunnel visioned so to speak. i don't open up and accept others opinions and such. what im saying is that when my sister got killed, and i understood what had happened, i wanted what was worse for that person, and to me that was death. but as zed explains it, i see solitary confinement is much much worse. I still want to see that person dead. i would love nothing more. but rotting in jail and then dying seems pretty ok.

Life in prison is a much better sentence if you ask me. You aren't put into prison to rot, they have lots and lots of places to go to so you can get help. What if the guy who killed your sister wasn't sane? Is it his fault? No. So why should he be put to death for being mentally unstable.

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Life in prison is a much better sentence if you ask me. You aren't put into prison to rot, they have lots and lots of places to go to so you can get help. What if the guy who killed your sister wasn't sane? Is it his fault? No. So why should he be put to death for being mentally unstable.

I don't want that mother ****er living off of tax money, that would suck. Instead they should be the executioners for other murderers. That way they can get their sick kick and do a job for a living. If they like it so much they can do it for the rest of their lives, and nothing else.

But that isn't my way of thinking just an idea I came up with.

So are you saying we should also kill all people who are mentally ill? That doesn't make any sense at all.

but being mentally unstable could also be used as an excuse to get out of prison and into an insane asylum. i dont know for sure how they are treated in their, but depending on which one, that could be a really good thing. theres no sure way to check a brain for insanity, and have it be 100 percent correct (atleast to my knowledge but i didn't bother to research it). it seems like you could just fake bein a little crazy and use that as an excuse to get out of a much bigger punishment. whether they are in the right state of mind, won't seem to matter much. i mean if someone has an anger problem and beats their wife or husband to shit, is it not their fault because they aren't incredibly mentally stable?