first off dragon, if I don't fully source my posts it's because
1. i'm high and i forgot to or
2. honestly most of this is memorized already and i dont really feel like searching through the godly amounts of links you know?
so my bad homie but if you see something you don't quite believe you can ask man and i'll look for the source.

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Every theory has its flaws. This is just what I got taught at school. But I must say, after smoking it for like 2 years, I do agree a little. But that's just like 24 hours after being way ****ing high.

how old are you?

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"Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time."
http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

See how unlike your fallacious argument, I actually provide a source and evidence for my info. Marijuana is not good for the brain.

first off, that link is untrustworthy. and i know what you're going to say, but the government HAS AND CONTINUE TO flat out lie about cannabis, from official reports, to press releases, flat out yellow journalism man. although now they have to use words such as "may cause" and "should lead to" or something along those lines. if your going to source, use a .org or some medical web ya know?

anyways, cannabis effects everyone differently, you have to remember that. for some heavy thinking is completely the last thing they are able to do, but for others they seem to think on a level which couldn't possible happen while sober (which is why numerous scientists, literary figures, etc. use cannabis to help them with such type of thinking), this is from a book I'm re-reading called marihuana reconsidered by some doctor who's the head one of havard medical dept., can never remember his name grinspoon or something.

secondly, distorted perceptions and impaired coordination is when you get blaaaaaaaaaazed, there are differences to being high and blaaazed (the more a's the higher you are). kinda a joke but true anyways. dosage is very important when it comes to the effects man, they are obviously reffering to when your ****ed up and i'll write more later i gotta go chill with mah peeps and smoke a bit.

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in b4 "it's .gov its just propagandaaaaaaaaaa"

Not everything your government does is "propaganda" or done for the simple reason of having fun stripping you of your freedom or something. This is not just aimed at this very topic, but at all the people who consider every ****ing government regulation an interference with their personal freedom and a step towards a nazi dictatorship. If the US Government proclaimed tomorrow that drinking nothing at all for a week is a bad idea, I'm sure some of you would disagree just for the ****ing hell of it.

yuh-huh

Quote from Deathwish

Cosmo, didn't you forget to enroll in college again because you smoke too much weed?


Also, we got a bong wooo, it is super awesome and I was baked as hell last night.

nope, i didn't enroll because i got paid a month and a half late bro

bitchin man, you should take a pic and post it

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I don't consider the evidence strong enough to support either side at the moment :

there is plenty of evidence on our side, you just never heard of it because no media or government ever address any new studies. your other points were meh

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"Not surprisingly, marijuana intoxication can cause distorted perceptions, impaired coordination, difficulty in thinking and problem solving, and problems with learning and memory. Research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on learning and memory can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off.2 As a result, someone who smokes marijuana every day may be functioning at a suboptimal intellectual level all of the time."
http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

See how unlike your fallacious argument, I actually provide a source and evidence for my info. Marijuana is not good for the brain.

Wow, are you serious Dragon? Yeah that totally is true and all, the government would never fund a website as a strategy to trick your little brain(s) into thinking what they want you to think. The government wants nothing but good for this country!

http://blog.mpp.org/research/study-marijuana-may-protect-against-brain-damage-from-binge-drinking/08212009/

http://marijuanamythbusters.blogspot.com/2009/04/fact-marijuana-does-not-cause-brain.html

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic96313.html

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august212009/mpp_alcohol_8-21-09.php

http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v228/__show_article/_a000228-000056.htm

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#

Watch that documentary, Dragon. It WILL totally change your mind on this subject.

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As a matter of fact, no I wasn't using Bob Marley to prove anything. It was half joke and half mad that people were calling him dumb. Well, mostly joke.

Oh and by the way, I'm not really providing any sources because I'm not really being a productive part of this debate. I just pop in and interject every now and then because I think Kveyo and Cosmo would probably dominate their side if they weren't too busy getting high to come on every now and then. That and gingers have no soul, so it is my job to quell your evil force when no one else is around. And I'm rambling now so I think I might've gotten a contact high from some stoner kid sitting next to me on the bus.

Oh god I lol'd so hard

And unsurprisingly you're right. I barely come on here because either a) I'm busy with school b) I'm getting high, then getting busy with homework/school shit, c) I'm getting high and doing fun shit

This isn't really relevant to what I was arguing for but I go to school high usually every morning, and last year I maintained a 3.6 GPA throughout most of the year, this year I'm still doing pretty good. Sometimes I would do my homework while blazed off my ass, the next day at school I would end up getting all of the answers correct. I've done a ****ing math test whilst high and I got 100% on it. Dragon, if marijuana was as harmful as you claim, shouldn't I be getting 0.9 GPAs and getting 20% on math tests? HOW COULD THIS BE? OH? WHAT'S THAT? MARIJUANA IS HARMLESS? AND YOU HAVE A LARGE LIST OF REPUTABLE SOURCES? I STILL DON'T BELIEVE YOU BECAUSE MY TEACHERS AND MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME THAT MARIJUANA IS A HORRIBLY DANGEROUS NARCOTIC THAT WHEN INHALED, THE USER SEEKS INSANITY, MURDER AND DEATH

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How about you calm the fuck down for Christ's sake and listen for one god damn moment in your pitiful existence you call a life*. I already said I wasn't a contributing part of this debate. I don't give a shit if what I say contradicts anything especially when no one else gives a shit because no one is actually on the opposing side. If you're taking this debate seriously, be my guest, but while you're at it, clean the shit out of your ears.

[SIZE="1"]*Evidence behind this claim exists from the fact that you're a lousy ginger. No Deathwish, you cannot finger this one.[/SIZE]

Wasn't talking to you, but thanks for derailing the debate with your bullshit. With all respect, GTFO.

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first off dragon, if I don't fully source my posts it's because
1. i'm high and i forgot to or
2. honestly most of this is memorized already and i dont really feel like searching through the godly amounts of links you know?
so my bad homie but if you see something you don't quite believe you can ask man and i'll look for the source.

That's what I've been doing this entire time. Asking for a source.

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first off, that link is untrustworthy. and i know what you're going to say, but the government HAS AND CONTINUE TO flat out lie about cannabis, from official reports, to press releases, flat out yellow journalism man. although now they have to use words such as "may cause" and "should lead to" or something along those lines. if your going to source, use a .org or some medical web ya know?

I can say any link you use is untrustworthy propoganda too, (if you had provided one) but if since you asked:
"Use of marijuana can cause dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, red eyes, heart and blood pressure problems, lung problems, impaired mental functioning, panic reactions, hallucinations, flashbacks, depression, and sexual problems."
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-947-MARIJUANA.aspx?activeIngredientId=947&activeIngredientName=MARIJUANA&source=2

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anyways, cannabis effects everyone differently, you have to remember that.

I fully understand this, just like any drug.

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for some heavy thinking is completely the last thing they are able to do, but for others they seem to think on a level which couldn't possible happen while sober (which is why numerous scientists, literary figures, etc. use cannabis to help them with such type of thinking), this is from a book I'm re-reading called marihuana reconsidered by some doctor who's the head one of havard medical dept., can never remember his name grinspoon or something.

I don't know if it necessarily makes one smarter, but perhaps more creative and such. I can see Bob Marley smoking pot but I can't really see Isaac Newton.

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secondly, distorted perceptions and impaired coordination is when you get blaaaaaaaaaazed, there are differences to being high and blaaazed (the more a's the higher you are). kinda a joke but true anyways. dosage is very important when it comes to the effects man, they are obviously reffering to when your ****ed up and i'll write more later i gotta go chill with mah peeps and smoke a bit.

If you legalize it people are still gonna get blazed, which is bad.

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there is plenty of evidence on our side, you just never heard of it because no media or government ever address any new studies. your other points were meh

I'm a huge supporter of more government-funded studies on Marijuana. The studies we have now are inconclusive at best. Most are biased either one way or the other.

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Wow, are you serious Dragon? Yeah that totally is true and all, the government would never fund a website as a strategy to trick your little brain(s) into thinking what they want you to think. The government wants nothing but good for this country!

I recognize that parts of the government are corrupt and can be biased against marijuana but this doesn't undermine my source. I could basically change what you just said to attack your sources, too.

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http://blog.mpp.org/research/study-marijuana-may-protect-against-brain-damage-from-binge-drinking/08212009/

http://marijuanamythbusters.blogspot.com/2009/04/fact-marijuana-does-not-cause-brain.html

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic96313.html

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august212009/mpp_alcohol_8-21-09.php

http://www.newciv.org/nl/newslog.php/_v228/__show_article/_a000228-000056.htm

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth8.shtml

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9077214414651731007#

Watch that documentary, Dragon. It WILL totally change your mind on this subject.

OK, so you can do a google search and copy and paste links without reading them. I'm not gonna read over those, I recognize that there are conflicting reports about marijuana. What we have is inconclusive at best, and it would be reckless to legalize it without conclusive data.

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This isn't really relevant to what I was arguing for but I go to school high usually every morning, and last year I maintained a 3.6 GPA throughout most of the year, this year I'm still doing pretty good. Sometimes I would do my homework while blazed off my ass, the next day at school I would end up getting all of the answers correct. I've done a ****ing math test whilst high and I got 100% on it. Dragon, if marijuana was as harmful as you claim, shouldn't I be getting 0.9 GPAs and getting 20% on math tests?

One person having success (which you can't source) hardly proves it is harmless in every single area. Perhaps you would be getting better than a 3.6 without marijuana? I mean, you have hardly presented a scientific experiment here, you have no control and only one test subject and no sources. And you are now attacking me with a Straw Man argument (look it up), I don't appreciate that. I never said Marijuana causes insanity, murder, or death.

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HOW COULD THIS BE? OH? WHAT'S THAT? MARIJUANA IS HARMLESS? AND YOU HAVE A LARGE LIST OF REPUTABLE SOURCES? I STILL DON'T BELIEVE YOU BECAUSE MY TEACHERS AND MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME THAT MARIJUANA IS A HORRIBLY DANGEROUS NARCOTIC THAT WHEN INHALED, THE USER SEEKS INSANITY, MURDER AND DEATH

And you are now attacking me with a Straw Man argument (look it up), I don't appreciate that. I never said Marijuana causes insanity, murder, or death.

I think some people have mixed views on the stats.
Although it is true that people can die from driving while high, that is hardly the drugs fault, that's the persons fault. And if that is your only reason why getting high is 'bad' then you should be all for banning alcohol as well (And cell phones for distracting the driver)

Direct deaths a year by Smoking(eg. various cancers caused directly by smoking): Over 443,000 Americans die because of smoking each year. Secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 of them. (people who are just AROUND smokers)

Direct deaths a year by Alcohol(eg. Liver disease, alcohol poisoning):Excessive alcohol consumption leads to more than 80,000 deaths annually in the U.S.

Direct deaths EVER in the history of the world by Marijuana (eg. Dying as a direct result of smoking cannabis): 0

Those are the numbers. I've searched at least 2 to 3 sites for each number, and those are the most common numbers.

Anyone ever seen the 'Potumentary' Totally Baked? Watch it, if you have the time. It's goofy, informing, and It clears most stuff up. I haven't seen Super Size Me, but I bet that one would be a good 'un to see too.

I used to smoke marijuana. Wasn't for me though.

EDIT** Also, I've just come across an interesting site with studies proving that (Atleast with monkeys(but that's what we test most things on anyways)) Marijuana does NOT kill your brain cells. I could send a link to it if yah waaaaaan'.

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Wasn't talking to you, but thanks for derailing the debate with your bullshit. With all respect, GTFO.

That's what I've been doing this entire time. Asking for a source.

I can say any link you use is untrustworthy propoganda too, (if you had provided one) but if since you asked:
"Use of marijuana can cause dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, red eyes, heart and blood pressure problems, lung problems, impaired mental functioning, panic reactions, hallucinations, flashbacks, depression, and sexual problems."
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-947-MARIJUANA.aspx?activeIngredientId=947&activeIngredientName=MARIJUANA&source=2


I fully understand this, just like any drug.

I don't know if it necessarily makes one smarter, but perhaps more creative and such. I can see Bob Marley smoking pot but I can't really see Isaac Newton.


If you legalize it people are still gonna get blazed, which is bad.




I'm a huge supporter of more government-funded studies on Marijuana. The studies we have now are inconclusive at best. Most are biased either one way or the other.


I recognize that parts of the government are corrupt and can be biased against marijuana but this doesn't undermine my source. I could basically change what you just said to attack your sources, too.


OK, so you can do a google search and copy and paste links without reading them. I'm not gonna read over those, I recognize that there are conflicting reports about marijuana. What we have is inconclusive at best, and it would be reckless to legalize it without conclusive data.


One person having success (which you can't source) hardly proves it is harmless in every single area. Perhaps you would be getting better than a 3.6 without marijuana? I mean, you have hardly presented a scientific experiment here, you have no control and only one test subject and no sources. And you are now attacking me with a Straw Man argument (look it up), I don't appreciate that. I never said Marijuana causes insanity, murder, or death.

And you are now attacking me with a Straw Man argument (look it up), I don't appreciate that. I never said Marijuana causes insanity, murder, or death.

You are far too stubborn to even be worth arguing against. Get out of your little bubble and realize that MARIJUANA IS HARMLESS.

William Shakespeare, when studies were done on pipes, stems and bowls that were found in his home, they discovered.. guess what? Those bowls/pipes/stems had traces of cannabis and hashish in them.

Pythagorus, that ancient mother****er, used cannabis.

Queen Victoria used cannabis.

Carl Sagan.

All of the founding fathers. Infact, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had farms of the plant. There was a law that enforced all farmers to grow cannabis.

Bill Maher smokes ****ing every day. Many, many intellectuals smoke/have smoked marijuana. You cannot sit there and tell me that marijuana leads to brain damage.

Abraham Lincoln, Stephen King, Ted Turner (the guy who made CNN), Steve Jobbs, too many people to list.

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You are far too stubborn to even be worth arguing against. Get out of your little bubble and realize that MARIJUANA IS HARMLESS.

I have been on the sidelines for a while, but you are seriously deluded if you think that Marijuana is 100% harmless. It can cause serious mental health problems.

William Shakespeare, when studies were done on pipes, stems and bowls that were found in his home, they discovered.. guess what? Those bowls/pipes/stems had traces of cannabis and hashish in them.

Pythagorus, that ancient mother****er, used cannabis.

Queen Victoria used cannabis.

Carl Sagan.

All of the founding fathers. Infact, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had farms of the plant. There was a law that enforced all farmers to grow cannabis.

I would love to see several sources confirming those bold claims. Not some pro-weed sites either. Anyway, Queen Victoria didn't smoke weed, she drank a wine based of marijuana.

Bill Maher smokes ****ing every day. Many, many intellectuals smoke/have smoked marijuana. You cannot sit there and tell me that marijuana leads to brain damage.

So you are again saying that a few people who don't get problems from weed mean that weed causes no problems. Circular logic.

Abraham Lincoln, Stephen King, Ted Turner (the guy who made CNN), Steve Jobbs, too many people to list.

Again sources.

Quote from Jester

I think some people have mixed views on the stats.
Although it is true that people can die from driving while high, that is hardly the drugs fault, that's the persons fault. And if that is your only reason why getting high is 'bad' then you should be all for banning alcohol as well (And cell phones for distracting the driver)

Direct deaths a year by Smoking(eg. various cancers caused directly by smoking): Over 443,000 Americans die because of smoking each year. Secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 of them. (people who are just AROUND smokers)

Direct deaths a year by Alcohol(eg. Liver disease, alcohol poisoning):Excessive alcohol consumption leads to more than 80,000 deaths annually in the U.S.

Direct deaths EVER in the history of the world by Marijuana (eg. Dying as a direct result of smoking cannabis): 0

Those are the numbers. I've searched at least 2 to 3 sites for each number, and those are the most common numbers.

Anyone ever seen the 'Potumentary' Totally Baked? Watch it, if you have the time. It's goofy, informing, and It clears most stuff up. I haven't seen Super Size Me, but I bet that one would be a good 'un to see too.

I used to smoke marijuana. Wasn't for me though.

EDIT** Also, I've just come across an interesting site with studies proving that (Atleast with monkeys(but that's what we test most things on anyways)) Marijuana does NOT kill your brain cells. I could send a link to it if yah waaaaaan'.

"I found these numbers on a few sites" is not a source. Understand that for every study you find that say that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, I can find one that does. The reports are conflicting at best, and it would be reckless to legalize marijuana without knowing the full extent of its effects.

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You are far too stubborn to even be worth arguing against. Get out of your little bubble and realize that MARIJUANA IS HARMLESS.

Right, if you just shout it at me I'll learn your biased view. If anyone's too stubborn, it's you.

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William Shakespeare, when studies were done on pipes, stems and bowls that were found in his home, they discovered.. guess what? Those bowls/pipes/stems had traces of cannabis and hashish in them.

er.....what? The english language is your friend. (and again, no source).

Quote from JEWISHPERSON

Pythagorus, that ancient mother****er, used cannabis.

Queen Victoria used cannabis.

Carl Sagan.

All of the founding fathers. Infact, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson had farms of the plant. There was a law that enforced all farmers to grow cannabis.

Bill Maher smokes ****ing every day. Many, many intellectuals smoke/have smoked marijuana. You cannot sit there and tell me that marijuana leads to brain damage.

Abraham Lincoln, Stephen King, Ted Turner (the guy who made CNN), Steve Jobbs, too many people to list.

sources sources sources sources.

Not that it matters anyways. Any drug will have different effects on different people, so just pointing out a few people who didn't have negative effects really doesn't prove anything.

Whats the comic posed to prove you need pretty good facts about the drug not oppinions cause they really dont state anthing about the problem catch my drift And marijuana shoundnt be legal All it will do is screw up this Contry more than it all ready is

.Ex/a drunk man Comes out a bar and drives around town destroy stuff now imagine if he was high too he cound destory even much more stuff than when he was drunk
Now do you want to live like that every day cause i know i dont

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I have been on the sidelines for a while, but you are seriously deluded if you think that Marijuana is 100% harmless. It can cause serious mental health problems.

I am seriously deluded because I actually do my ****ing research and don't believe in everything the government tells me? Marijuana can not cause some "serious mental health problems." If you're going to back your claim up with the "it can cause schizophrenia" shit then I want you to know, that marijuana can only trigger your schizophrenia, not cause it. So in other words, if you got schizophrenia because you were smoking marijuana (which, even then, is very unlikely) then you still would have gotten schizophrenia later in your life, even without smoking marijuana.


I would love to see several sources confirming those bold claims. Not some pro-weed sites either. Anyway, Queen Victoria didn't smoke weed, she drank a wine based of marijuana.

http://www.veryimportantpotheads.com/
There's a whole god damn list of them, and even more websites with lists, knock yourself out.

She used cannabis as a medicine.
http://www.ukcia.org/medical/menstrualcrampsmorningsicknessandlabourpain.php


So you are again saying that a few people who don't get problems from weed mean that weed causes no problems. Circular logic.

Again sources.

Wow, I never said that it causes no problems, Einstein. I said that it doesn't lead to brain damage ALSO because MANY, many PEOPLE who are also very famous and are intellectuals have smoked marijuana. Dragon keeps on saying that "marijuana is not good for the brain," which is basically implying that marijuana is not good for the brain for everyone.

http://www.friendsofcannabis.com/directory/index.php?option=com_alphacontent§ion=20&Itemid=58&cat=188

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2606.html

Ted Turner was a big stoner when he created CNN and still smokes a joint daily. Watch the ****ing documentary The Union: The Business Behind Getting High

>In fact, Ted Turner has been known as a toker since his youth ? he even got caught growing marijuana in his dorm room at school! Yet unlike most stoner celebrities

I'll give you more after school, it's school time.

im gunna let my 1 month old baby smoke weed cuz its harmless u no hez chill azz fuk!

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Yeah we get it, 2-D. It's cool to be drug free. Unless it's PCP.

no it isn't, drug free is for losers without LIVES

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Wasn't talking to you, but thanks for derailing the debate with your bullshit. With all respect, GTFO.

Calm down, homie. Let's smoke a fatty together.

dragon is too [square] to smoke fatties

Marijuana firmly linked to infertility
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=marijuana-firmly-linked-t

Marijuana might lead to testicular cancer
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=marijuana-might-lead-to-increased-r-2009-02-09

Study suggests marijuana abuse increases risk of depression
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=study-suggests-marijuana

But, on the other side of the hill.

Marijuana fights infections
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=whoa-the-stuff-in-pot-kills-germs-2008-08-27

I can vouch for the fact that marijuana decreases mental activity. You might start thinking of things in a more profound way but overall I felt a lot slower while I used to do it.

That probably doesn't prove anything but it definitely had an effect on me.