Quote from Myself
I'm so glad you did that.
I'm so glad we're friends.
Ghosts.
Started by: BlisS | Replies: 151 | Views: 4,673
Oct 25, 2009 6:08 AM #505788
I'm so glad you did that.
I'm so glad we're friends.
Oct 25, 2009 6:26 AM #505795
Quote from AshIf I may quote Carl Sagan:
"It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas … If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you … On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones. "
In short, don't be so open minded that your brains fall out.
I've seen the evidence presented for the existence of ghosts. It's entirely - and I mean ENTIRELY - made up of personal anecdotes and pictures/videos. Nothing that is acceptable as "research". Pictures and videos can be faked, and anyone who has a grand father with fishing stories knows that eyewitness testimonies can never - and even courts have started to agree on this point - be accepted as reliable evidence.
No one has yet proposed a description of a ghost's chemical composition, the physical process by which one's consciousness is copied and put into ghost form, or even presented an actual case where the only explanation is a ghost. (Hint: this is actually impossible. One can not even present a purely imaginary scenario where ghosts are the only possible explanation, let alone a well-documented real one.)
Well see the thing is, there's really no other way of knowing about ghosts besides seeing footage or being told about it. The only other way is if you see it yourself. I'm not sure where, but I think I've seen stuff where like these guys had some sort of sensor or whatever, and it went off at like the most random times. Of course this doesn't prove anything, and in fact may be fake overall, but I'm just saying.
Oct 25, 2009 6:32 AM #505796
Quote from AshIf I may quote Carl Sagan:
"It seems to me what is called for is an exquisite balance between two conflicting needs: the most skeptical scrutiny of all hypotheses that are served up to us and at the same time a great openness to new ideas … If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you … On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful ideas from the worthless ones. "
In short, don't be so open minded that your brains fall out.
I've seen the evidence presented for the existence of ghosts. It's entirely - and I mean ENTIRELY - made up of personal anecdotes and pictures/videos. Nothing that is acceptable as "research". Pictures and videos can be faked, and anyone who has a grand father with fishing stories knows that eyewitness testimonies can never - and even courts have started to agree on this point - be accepted as reliable evidence.
No one has yet proposed a description of a ghost's chemical composition, the physical process by which one's consciousness is copied and put into ghost form, or even presented an actual case where the only explanation is a ghost. (Hint: this is actually impossible. One can not even present a purely imaginary scenario where ghosts are the only possible explanation, let alone a well-documented real one.)
Lol, read your last blog-post, knew that part was for me.
But I'm not that open-minded, I try to always reason things with logic. And if I can't, I don't believe it. Personal experiences are the only thing that makes me believe in the possibility that something like a soul leaving your body is real.
Oct 25, 2009 12:48 PM #505927
And what was this personal experience?
Oct 25, 2009 1:52 PM #505941
Quote from sAcReDWell see the thing is, there's really no other way of knowing about ghosts besides seeing footage or being told about it. The only other way is if you see it yourself. I'm not sure where, but I think I've seen stuff where like these guys had some sort of sensor or whatever, and it went off at like the most random times. Of course this doesn't prove anything, and in fact may be fake overall, but I'm just saying.
We're not saying we'll accept absolutely no evidence. We just want that evidence to be reliable and more likely than the alternatives, ie. physically possible. As Ash said, if you can explain to me how ghosts fit in with cause and effect then I will happily look at the evidence again and grant new weight to it, but until there is at the very least a reasonable definition of what people mean when they say "ghost" there cannot be any reason to believe that they are there.
Oct 25, 2009 2:31 PM #505944
Quote from sAcReDWell see the thing is, there's really no other way of knowing about ghosts besides seeing footage or being told about it. The only other way is if you see it yourself. I'm not sure where, but I think I've seen stuff where like these guys had some sort of sensor or whatever, and it went off at like the most random times. Of course this doesn't prove anything, and in fact may be fake overall, but I'm just saying.
Oh, and BTW, the sensors they use measure fluctuations in electromagnetic fields. Keep an eye out for when they are using them: It's ALWAYS in a building with electric lighting. These morons don't see the correlation between the sensor going off and being in a building powered by electricity.
Oct 25, 2009 4:55 PM #506007
Quote from AshOh, and BTW, the sensors they use measure fluctuations in electromagnetic fields. Keep an eye out for when they are using them: It's ALWAYS in a building with electric lighting. These morons don't see the correlation between the sensor going off and being in a building powered by electricity.
True. And lots of the times when they say that they are at an abandoned location, doesn't mean that anyone else can provide lighting, correct?
Oct 26, 2009 4:26 PM #506339
Quote from AshAnd what was this personal experience?
As a kid I've always seen things, but I've read somewhere that memories you have from your childhood mostly are manufactured.
But, there is just one thing that happened to me that made me sure of the existance of ghosts or something similar to it.
I was about 8 or 9, four-eyed, smarter than others my age (not trying to sound arrogant, it's the truth), so basically I was a nerd. Now this didn't help me get any friends. I knew three or four people well and that was it. Then this other guy came along. nice guy, really friendly and stuff, was one year older than me. Next thing you know, we're the best of friends. 3 or 4 years later, he dies of I think it was blood cancer (Leukemia or how you spell it). Of course this shocks you when you're 11 or 12. I was invited to go to his funeral, but I couldn't reall handle it. So I didn't go.
I was pretty depressed for a week. And then I was lying in my bed, thinking of him. I remember thinking at that exact moment, how unfair it was for a kid who was just 12 or 13 to suddenly die of cancer. Then I saw him standing in front of me. Scared the living crap out of me. He looked prtty pissed. Only words: 'Why weren't you at my funeral?'. Then he dissappeared. I've seen him once after that, since then I haven't seen a ghost anymore.
I didn't like typing that, but you asked for it.
Oct 27, 2009 2:24 AM #506548
Quote from sAcReDTrue. And lots of the times when they say that they are at an abandoned location, doesn't mean that anyone else can provide lighting, correct?
They usually have a ****ing CAMERA nearby. That's a huge source of disturbance, right there.
Gyohdon: 2 other questions regarding that incident:
1) Were you asleep before this occurred? I'm not implying that this happened while you were sleeping, don't worry about that.
2)Were you upset about not going to his funeral at the time?
Oct 27, 2009 2:45 AM #506552
I sometimes think "what would happen if something paranormal were to happen to me?", and after thinking hard (I like to play out situations in my head when I'm bored) I tend to believe I would go and tell my mom, and she would probably take me to a Jehova's witness church thingymajig (she never goes to them but thinks they're awesome because she's been about 3 times). I would be spoken to etc etc and I would decide to go and see a psychiatrist no matter how much my mom protested.
Oct 27, 2009 5:44 AM #506597
Quote from Brainstickdo you know what else is real !? fire wall, google it >:3
I know what a firewall is, yo.
Oct 27, 2009 6:51 AM #506605
Quote from Ash
Gyohdon: 2 other questions regarding that incident:
1) Were you asleep before this occurred? I'm not implying that this happened while you were sleeping, don't worry about that.
2)Were you upset about not going to his funeral at the time?
I was lying in bed, but the memory is so clear, it's hard to think that I was asleep at the time.
And I kinda felt bad for not going, but then again, I've always thought that a person should choose what he should do and I chose not to go.
Oct 27, 2009 11:49 AM #506647
Go reread question # 1. You didn't answer whether you had been asleep BEFORE the event. And I already said I'm NOT implying that you were asleep DURING the event, seriously man, learn to read.
Oct 27, 2009 12:11 PM #506657
Hi there, I'm an insomniac, and I see things that aren't there all the time due to my chronic sleeping disorder.
Oct 27, 2009 12:44 PM #506665
Quote from AshGo reread question # 1. You didn't answer whether you had been asleep BEFORE the event. And I already said I'm NOT implying that you were asleep DURING the event, seriously man, learn to read.
No, I was not asleep, I was going to sleep.