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I'm not agreeing with this retard.
And im totally against what sassy said,even though im British.But this is really creepy.My parents are christian and they have been have these weird dreams about this chip that they put in your head.An my friends,brother granny has also had the exact same dream.

Coincidence.I think not.
Some kind of subliminal message some hacker put into one of obama's interviews of shows.Most likley?



@Z0far.
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/08/10/new-nasa-data-still-proves-global-warming-is-real/
There some proof from your beloved NASA.




But its still creepy.

What the ****? You switched topic like four times over the course of that post and none of it made any sense at all.

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Wow, anti-American much? Dude, I'm not even going to start on how much is wrong with that. True, we have no universal healthcare system, because truth be told I don't know why. But even so, should you even be part of this if you're not from America? I mean, you'll never actually know what it's like to live under the crappy rule of Obama. So, why does this even matter to you? Anyways, even if it IS cheaper, the people with no money are screwed. Like myself. So don't try that.

You haven't earned the right to say that your life style sucks, just like myself, I reached the realization that America is much better than all it's residents think. When I moved to denmark left everything I knew and loved behind, just to be with a man that my mother met on the internet and married. He was crazy and he was abusive to my mother, I was going to kill him with a rage so pure that it makes the light from the sun feel ever so dim. Thankfully we managed to get a plain ticket back, I felt some sort of resounding calm settle in my heart when I returned to America. So don't you even make it sound like we live it tough because we ****ing don't.

Anti-American, can you blame him? All America has done the last several hundred years is been a royal asshole and try and monopolize the planet. Just because he doesn't live here doesn't mean his statements aren't valid, zed is definitely the most intelligent person I know and I believe that whatever he says has a fair amount of logic in it. If anything his outside view has different angles that neither of us have.

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I'm tempted, but conflict like this is what the debate section's about. If it looks like he's getting overly trolly then yeah, it'll go, but while he's attempting to give logical arguments - ie. the poor can't afford to pay the extra - he's within the rules. He's wrong, but within the rules.



The new insurance is cheaper. The new insurance is cross-subsidised. The new insurance allows people who couldn't get insurance before to get insurance.

Everyone in the world should have access to healthcare as and when they need it - it's a basic human right. In America this means getting insurance. It's a stupid system, yes. You guys really need to nationalise your healthcare system; you are the only developed country in the world without universal care and it means that when, not if, people get sick they have to pay through the roof, ie. more than what this insurance will cost them. The new bill isn't perfect but it at least makes you slightly less third world.

I would just like to state that I would like to have an intelligent debate with this sexy man about the importance of free-market healthcare, the deficiencies of Nationalized Healthcare, and why the Health Care Bill is not only un-american (which I suppose you don't care too much about) but also a terrible idea.

However I have at best tandem knowledge of the subject and am currently in the middle of scholarly studies (Err, for my poorly rated government run high school education, that is)

So I don't have the time to actually read the arguments made or present my own (and I'm lazy) so if someone could just give a clear point to rebut that would be great :D

Also, I've heard this tidbit floating around that America produces 50% of the worlds medical advances (I have no idea how to verify this) and that nobel prizes have been given, 80+% of the time in the past 50 years to Americans (I'll verify this later).

So yeah.

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zed is definitely the most intelligent person I know and I believe that whatever he says has a fair amount of logic in it. If anything his outside view has different angles that neither of us have.

Assuming you love bacon (as all people do) would you ask a Canadian to get you some bacon? I mean, I'm sure you love Canadian bacon, that's not what you asked for and it's really just not going to work for you.

Note: Not an attack on Zed, I just like saying words. Zed is obviously not a canadian (the swines) and I have nothing but a fervent and mildly publicized love for Zed.

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Assuming you love bacon (as all people do) would you ask a Canadian to get you some bacon? I mean, I'm sure you love Canadian bacon, that's not what you asked for and it's really just not going to work for you.

Note: Not an attack on Zed, I just like saying words. Zed is obviously not a canadian (the swines) and I have nothing but a fervent and mildly publicized love for Zed.

Just because it's not what I asked for, doesn't mean it doesn't get the job done. It's not the bacon that was called for, but it's still damn good bacon.
And I don't eat bacon, it's bad for you, I like taking care of myself. I'm sure Canadian bacon is much less un healthy than normal bacon.

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Just because it's not what I asked for, doesn't mean it doesn't get the job done. It's not the bacon that was called for, but it's still damn good bacon.
And I don't eat bacon, it's bad for you, I like taking care of myself. I'm sure Canadian bacon is much less un healthy than normal bacon.

Well the point I'm trying to make with my beautiful analogies is that just because something works in one society doesn't mean it will work in another society; the cultures are different, the surrounding structure is different.

If I asked for a baconator (triple please) at Wendys and they put Canadian Bacon on it I would be pretty pissed.

Let's think about democracy for a second; America has been (apparently) trying to impose it's version of democracy on third world countries for decades. The results? Third world countries are still rife in turmoil and democracy has taken root in barely any of them; they weren't equipped to handle a democracy and their previous culture is not yet ready (if it ever will be) for a westernized democracy.

Or the tulip trade in that illustrious country, the Netherlands (sure it was bust, but whatever). It got them super rich (briefly) but people in America couldn't have gotten rich off of the tulip trade.

Or hell, slavery; everyone's familiar with slavery. Slavery worked in the south because of their agricultural economy and plentiful arable land; slavery didn't take hold in the north not because they were inherently more humane, but because there was no use for them there.

England has a Queen and they like it like that. Because that attracts tourists should America also have a Queen?

Just because something works somewhere doesn't mean it will work everywhere; moreover, in the next few days, I will set out to prove that England's healthcare system does not in fact 'work' (you may expect gratuitous 'facts' and manipulated statistics)

EVERYBODY HOLD ON A SECOND

Someone explain this healthcare thing to me, I am now interested.

It sounds like obama is forcing us to pay for healthcare, which I find utterly despicable.

Okay, the healthcare bill, or the Health Reform, is a Communistic idea brought up by Obama. No he did not pass the bill on his own, but he sure as hell paid off a lot of politicians to do it for him. (At least that's the popular belief of right now.) The Health Reform was made to bring government health insurance to all in the U.S. But all that it's doing is gonna help the rich stay rich, and throw the poor into even rougher times. Apparently, the Reform was only made 'For the good of the country.' but I know the truth. I do not have much money in my wallet, so I can't afford to have health insurance. However, the new bill now requires, under punishment by law, that you buy health insurance from the government. You are no longer able to choose your own health insurance. So unless you already had insurance from another provider, excluding Medicare, you have to get it from the government. So, if the government suddenly says, 'Hey! Now healthcare costs this much!' You have to pay that amount. It sucks if you're poor, so get used to it, and get a higher paying job.

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Okay, the healthcare bill, or the Health Reform, is a Communistic idea brought up by Obama.

Are you sure you know what communism entails?

I believe that Communism is a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, was it not? And if that's so, and we know that that didn't work out so well for the Soviet, so why should it help us any?

Communism is "classless" "Stateless", you yourself said that the bill helps the rich stay rich and the poor stay even more poor. Saying it's communist is like saying peanut butter is jam. If it segregates the classes even more so than before, why would it be communist?

Sorry, I wasn't really thinking. I was meaning socialism. Hadn't realized I was saying communism till that last post.

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Sorry, I wasn't really thinking. I was meaning socialism. Hadn't realized I was saying communism till that last post.

You realize that no country has ever been truly communist? Only socialist? And thy socialism is the step before communism and that socialism has no classes either?

Goddamn you are a moron.

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You realize that no country has ever been truly communist? Only socialist? And thy socialism is the step before communism and that socialism has no classes either?

Okay thanks, I thought I was going crazy there for a second, his comments sound well enough thought out.
Sorry I'm really no good with politics, so I'm quite glad I caught that.