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Dec 7, 2009 3:01 AM #521579
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What would you suggest is cool then, Ash?

Just because you don't have the nuts to trane and compete then don't look down on the sport just because you hate all sports.


Oh, yeah, the only reason I don't like UFC is because I don't have the nuts to, erm, "trane", and compete.

No, I don't like it because it's ****ing boring. Every time I'm in a restaurant showing UFC on their tvs, or someone sends me an "OMG SO COOL" clip, it ends up the same: two guys who learned martial arts but who seem to have missed the lessons on discipline rolling on the floor. It's barely a step up from boxing.

People fighting isn't entertaining, I grew out of that in elementary school when I still watched Dragon Ball Z.

I'm not even going to comment on your sports comment, since it's such a groundless accusation.


EDIT: Oh, and by the way, while if you are indeed getting a chance to train with a world champion floor-roller, I am happy for you for being able to get a chance to do what you enjoy with someone with such great credentials. And that's not sarcasm, by the way, I'm being sincere.
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Dec 7, 2009 3:02 AM #521580
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Oh, yeah, the only reason I don't like UFC is because I don't have the nuts to, erm, "trane", and compete.

No, I don't like it because it's ****ing boring. Every time I'm in a restaurant showing UFC on their tvs, or someone sends me an "OMG SO COOL" clip, it ends up the same: two guys who learned martial arts but who seem to have missed the lessons on discipline rolling on the floor. It's barely a step up from boxing.

People fighting isn't entertaining, I grew out of that in elementary school when I still watched Dragon Ball Z.

I'm not even going to comment on your sports comment, since it's such a groundless accusation.


Ash lives to start shit on the internet, I suppose.
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Dec 7, 2009 3:06 AM #521582
So if I call a sport "****ing boring", it's "trying to start shit"?


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LOL

Haven't you admitted that you go to atheist forums to discuss amongst your peers how ridiculous the concept of religion is? Sounds real entertaining.



When have I ever said or even done that? Aside from spending enough time to make about 10-20 posts on happyatheistforum.com over the course of several months over a year ago, I've never spent any time on a forum dedicated solely to atheism.
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Dec 7, 2009 3:08 AM #521583
If I recall, no one asked your opinion on the sport. You came into this thread and immediately called DW a moron because of your dumbass generalizations. Go **** yourself.
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Dec 7, 2009 3:15 AM #521586
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If I recall, no one asked your opinion on the sport. You came into this thread and immediately called DW a moron because of your dumbass generalizations. Go **** yourself.


If you didn't notice, that post was a goddammed joke. I posted it right after deathwish said "Judge my sig, mother****er, I dare you!". Do I need to add a ****ing disclaimer?

And did you even read the other posts? I came into this thread making a joke about gray's signature. But you'll probably flip a shit over that too once you see it and won't catch the slight irony I was pointing out.
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Dec 7, 2009 4:23 AM #521599
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So if I call a sport "****ing boring", it's "trying to start shit"?

Well it would be fine if you said that you don't find MMA entertaining. To each his own and all that mumbo-jumbo. However, you said and I quote "Deathwish, judging by your sig, you look like one of those morons who thinks MMA is somehow cool. Or entertaining." Kind of a big difference there, buddy.

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No, I don't like it because it's ****ing boring. Every time I'm in a restaurant showing UFC on their tvs, or someone sends me an "OMG SO COOL" clip, it ends up the same: two guys who learned martial arts but who seem to have missed the lessons on discipline rolling on the floor. It's barely a step up from boxing.

People fighting isn't entertaining, I grew out of that in elementary school when I still watched Dragon Ball Z.

Okay, we get it: you think it's boring. But frankly I'm sure many people don't share your idea of "fun". The rest of your first paragraph doesn't even make sense so I'm not going to comment on it.

Your whole idea of the sport is pretty shallow and biased. Just because you "grew out" of wanting to watch fights since you're such a superior intellectual doesn't mean that it's childish or immature. It's human nature to want to watch two people engage in combat. Lets say there is a sports complex with four fields. On one field people are playing soccer, on another they are playing flag football, on the third they are playing baseball, and on the last field a fight breaks out. Why is it that everyone on the other fields stop playing their games and go to watch the fight? Because it's human nature. So why should we be looked down upon for wanting to watch great athletes that are masters of multiple martial arts compete against each other?

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When have I ever said or even done that? Aside from spending enough time to make about 10-20 posts on happyatheistforum.com over the course of several months over a year ago, I've never spent any time on a forum dedicated solely to atheism.

Alright well I don't feel like digging up the quote but it was because someone asked you "Why don't you just go to an Atheist forum?" and you said that you already do visit one, but you like to come here because it gives you the opportunity to debate with people that are actually religious.
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Dec 7, 2009 4:31 AM #521602
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If you didn't notice, that post was a goddammed joke. I posted it right after deathwish said "Judge my sig, mother****er, I dare you!". Do I need to add a ****ing disclaimer?

And did you even read the other posts? I came into this thread making a joke about gray's signature. But you'll probably flip a shit over that too once you see it and won't catch the slight irony I was pointing out.


it's kind of hard to call something a joke when you come in later defending your position of the joke, you dumb prick. stop using lame ass excuses just to hide from everyone that you're nothing more than an egocentric prick with nothing better to do than to bag on other people's preferences because they aren't the to your liking. don't you have some fat ass vampire girlfriend to make up?
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Dec 7, 2009 4:50 AM #521605
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Well it would be fine if you said that you don't find MMA entertaining. To each his own and all that mumbo-jumbo. However, you said and I quote "Deathwish, judging by your sig, you look like one of those morons who thinks MMA is somehow cool. Or entertaining." Kind of a big difference there, buddy.

It was a joke, I already said this. It was meant to paralel my previous post, which began the same way.

Okay, we get it: you think it's boring. But frankly I'm sure many people don't share your idea of "fun". The rest of your first paragraph doesn't even make sense so I'm not going to comment on it.

What didn't make sense, exactly? When I see bits of UFC on TV or the internet, there's almost always more rolling on the floor than punches and kicks.


Your whole idea of the sport is pretty shallow and biased. Just because you "grew out" of wanting to watch fights since you're such a superior intellectual doesn't mean that it's childish or immature. It's human nature to want to watch two people engage in combat. Lets say there is a sports complex with four fields. On one field people are playing soccer, on another they are playing flag football, on the third they are playing baseball, and on the last field a fight breaks out. Why is it that everyone on the other fields stop playing their games and go to watch the fight? Because it's human nature. So why should we be looked down upon for wanting to watch great athletes that are masters of multiple martial arts compete against each other?

Your analogy fails, man. Replace the fight breaking out with a UFC match. Now far fewer people are interested.

People aren't attracted to fights just because they happen to be fights, they are attracted to them because they are a break from continuity. There would be a similar reaction if there was a fire, or a police standing off with some criminals.

You'll notice that I have nothing against people who watch Taekwondo matches for fun. The difference between my appreciation for the two sports is that Taekwondo isn't just about beating the shit out of someone, but about form, discipline. The same goes for just about any other martial art.


Alright well I don't feel like digging up the quote but it was because someone asked you "Why don't you just go to an Atheist forum?" and you said that you already do visit one, but you like to come here because it gives you the opportunity to debate with people that are actually religious.


I think that is sort of an example of equivocation. Visiting a forum with a largely atheistic population isn't the same thing as going to a forum to "discuss amongst your peers how ridiculous the concept of religion is". I go to richarddawkins.net, and the topics there that I talk about are politics and biology. You can't have many conversations about a topic as narrow as "how ridiculous religion is".

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it's kind of hard to call something a joke when you come in later defending your position of the joke, you dumb prick. stop using lame ass excuses just to hide from everyone that you're nothing more than an egocentric prick with nothing better to do than to bag on other people's preferences because they aren't the to your liking. don't you have some fat ass vampire girlfriend to make up?


Good god you are thick. Is the fact that the post in question was written as a parallel to the previous post I made too subtle for you? Or do I have to ****ing diagram the joke for you?


Gray was talking about idiots at school who think that they are tough because they watch UFC. I made the joke that judging by his signature, he was one of them. The joke here is mild irony, because while pointing out that people who think they are tough for watching UFC, his sig features a clip of UFC. This doesn't mean I was actually calling him a hypocrite, because obviously watching UFC doesn't equate to thinking you are tough for doing so, which is why I say "mildly ironic" rather than "ironic".

Then Deathwish said "Judge my sig, mother****er, I dare you!", which was a joke because it paralleled the humorous video that Gray had posted.

Finally, I responded to his rhetorical challenge, by paralleling my previous joke with a small change in focus, that change being from the exaggeration of the irony of Gray having the UFC clip in his sig to Deathwish being apparently enthralled by UFC.

And I was defending the opinion being challenged, because although my calling him a moron for being entertained by UFC was a joke, my opinion that UFC is boring was not. I felt it necessary to reiterate and expand upon that opinion.
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Dec 7, 2009 5:08 AM #521609
leave it to ash to turn everything into a debate. you just have to much god damned pride to just say "**** it, why am i caring so much? this is the internet", do you? either that or you've got nothing else to do with your sad life

and i don't know where you get your facts from. since when are people not attracted to fights? people have been clamoring to see two guys beat the shit out of each other since the dawn of time. case in point, muhammad ali. and mma is getting even more popular with each passing day. just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone is suddenly on the same page as you
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Dec 7, 2009 5:24 AM #521612
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and i don't know where you get your facts from. since when are people not attracted to fights? people have been clamoring to see two guys beat the shit out of each other since the dawn of time. case in point, muhammad ali. and mma is getting even more popular with each passing day. just because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone is suddenly on the same page as you


Way to take something out of context, gavel. That paragraph was a response to his analogy, it wasn't a statement about people as a whole.
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Dec 7, 2009 5:35 AM #521613
way to disregard the rest of my post
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Dec 7, 2009 6:23 AM #521624
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It was a joke, I already said this. It was meant to paralel my previous post, which began the same way.

What didn't make sense, exactly? When I see bits of UFC on TV or the internet, there's almost always more rolling on the floor than punches and kicks.

It just flat out didn't make sense. I understood the part about you thinking that the groundwork was boring but I didn't understand the rest of the paragraph. It may have just been because you don't know what you're talking about, but I just couldn't understand what you were trying to say.

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Your analogy fails, man. Replace the fight breaking out with a UFC match. Now far fewer people are interested.

People aren't attracted to fights just because they happen to be fights, they are attracted to them because they are a break from continuity. There would be a similar reaction if there was a fire, or a police standing off with some criminals.

People most certainly are attracted to fights, I don't know how you can deny that. Boxing was the first sport in America to draw in a $1 million gate (Dempsey/Carpentier).

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You'll notice that I have nothing against people who watch Taekwondo matches for fun. The difference between my appreciation for the two sports is that Taekwondo isn't just about beating the shit out of someone, but about form, discipline. The same goes for just about any other martial art.


And now we're seeing your ignorance shine through. This is basically what I was expecting, but you've been able to hide it with blanket statements for most of your posts.

MMA is called mixed martial arts for a reason. It's not just about "beating the shit out of someone". Do you not consider Muay Thai, Brazillian Jiu-jitsu, Judo, San Shou, or Kyokushin Karate to be martial arts?

also lol @ you bringing up Taekwondo as your idea of a real martial art. The reason Muay Thai, Boxing, and San Shou are the most commonly used stand-up martial arts in MMA is because they actually work. While Taekwondo looks more like the stuff you see in cheesy martial arts movies, it doesn't work too well in a fight. Not only that, but just about any average joe can walk into a Taekwondo Mcdojo and receive a blackbelt in about 4 years. On average it takes at least 10 years or longer to get a blackbelt in Brazillian jiu-jitsu. Also as a sidenote: a 4th degree Taekwondo blackbelt walked into my gym last week and I handled him with ease. I have only been doing Muay Thai for three months with about of boxing experience.

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I think that is sort of an example of equivocation. Visiting a forum with a largely atheistic population isn't the same thing as going to a forum to "discuss amongst your peers how ridiculous the concept of religion is". I go to richarddawkins.net, and the topics there that I talk about are politics and biology. You can't have many conversations about a topic as narrow as "how ridiculous religion is".


Well forgive me for just assuming that's what you talk about there since it seems to be the only thing you like to discuss here.

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Gray was talking about idiots at school who think that they are tough because they watch UFC. I made the joke that judging by his signature, he was one of them. The joke here is mild irony, because while pointing out that people who think they are tough for watching UFC, his sig features a clip of UFC. This doesn't mean I was actually calling him a hypocrite, because obviously watching UFC doesn't equate to thinking you are tough for doing so, which is why I say "mildly ironic" rather than "ironic".

Well that's a pretty bad joke. I'm a gigantic MMA fan but you would never know it because I never talk about it unless someone starts talking to me about the fights over the weekend or something.
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Dec 7, 2009 8:09 AM #521633
I'd say something, but judging by the amount of moderators in here, I'm just gonna grow a tail, shove that ****er in between my legs, grab some popcorn, a couch, and watch you guys go at it.
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Dec 7, 2009 2:29 PM #521694
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People most certainly are attracted to fights, I don't know how you can deny that. Boxing was the first sport in America to draw in a $1 million gate (Dempsey/Carpentier).


My wording must have been off, because I already corrected Gavel on this same mistake. I wasn't saying that people aren't attracted to fights, I was saying that in that scenario, the people aren't attracted to the fight just because it is a fight. I demonstrated this by saying "replace the fight with a UFC match". You are taking what I said out of context.

And now we're seeing your ignorance shine through. This is basically what I was expecting, but you've been able to hide it with blanket statements for most of your posts.

MMA is called mixed martial arts for a reason. It's not just about "beating the shit out of someone". Do you not consider Muay Thai, Brazillian Jiu-jitsu, Judo, San Shou, or Kyokushin Karate to be martial arts?

also lol @ you bringing up Taekwondo as your idea of a real martial art. The reason Muay Thai, Boxing, and San Shou are the most commonly used stand-up martial arts in MMA is because they actually work. While Taekwondo looks more like the stuff you see in cheesy martial arts movies, it doesn't work too well in a fight. Not only that, but just about any average joe can walk into a Taekwondo Mcdojo and receive a blackbelt in about 4 years. On average it takes at least 10 years or longer to get a blackbelt in Brazillian jiu-jitsu. Also as a sidenote: a 4th degree Taekwondo blackbelt walked into my gym last week and I handled him with ease. I have only been doing Muay Thai for three months with about of boxing experience.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but I only said Taekwondo because I can spell it. I had a discussion that included Taekwondo recently and learned the spelling. There aren't really any other martial arts whose spelling I can remember right now. Except, like Karate, and Judo, but those are easy to remember.

Well forgive me for just assuming that's what you talk about there since it seems to be the only thing you like to discuss here.

I challenge you to find a single post by me in the past year whose primary point was that religion is ridiculous.

Well that's a pretty bad joke. I'm a gigantic MMA fan but you would never know it because I never talk about it unless someone starts talking to me about the fights over the weekend or something.


Maybe you don't understand this, but a "joke" doesn't always entail a punch line and a roll on a snare drum. They aren't always meant to be very funny, even. The purpose of the joke was that I found it mildly humorous. Of course you don't think it's funny, you and everyone else missed it and took offense to it, as if I was insulting your mother. I had to explain the exact structure of the joke to Gavel for him to even agree that the post was a joke, for ****'s sake.
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Dec 7, 2009 7:38 PM #521785
Wow this thread has turned to shit lol.

Ash, don't argue things you don't understand. You have clearly never watched a MMA fight in your life, judging by some of the shit you have said.

@DW - Dude, that's ****ing sweet. I'm seriously jealous. When I go to uni, first thing I'm gonna do is start training BJJ at a good school. There is one where I live, run by Ze Marcelo (Murillo Bustamante black belt) I went to a couple lessons, but it is way too expensive. I asked if he could make it any cheaper for me and my friend, as we're students, but he couldn't. It really sucks.