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No. If a few people aren't evil, humanity cannot be classed as evil because there would be odd ones that don't fit the generalization, that much we agreed on there (what I was saying). However, if a few people are evil, it doesn't make humanity evil. Why is this? FOR THE SAME REASON. No matter how many are evil/not evil, as long as there is variety it cannot be defined as one thing. You can't go to a school with 250 white people and 20 black people and say "this is a white school", just in the same way that you can't say "this is a black school".


Well, I disagree with all of that. The point I'm arguing against is that humanity is evil. Not that most of humanity is evil. The literal definition of "humanity" is "the human race", not "the human race in general". Read my above comment about the school.

The second thing I disagree on is the extent to which you 2 seem to think the world is "evil". I don't think there are any figures to prove either side on this, but you can continue believing more than 80% of the world is evil, and I will continue believing a MUCH smaller amount is evil.

Also, there is one thing nobody seems to be picking up on. We all have different definitions of what is good and bad, and therefore saying most of humanity is evil is entirely your opinion. We're using our own views on what is good to define a majority, and not the whole thing.

Reply.

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For one i am working by his logic, because from what he is saying, if one person is good it makes humanity not evil, from what i have been saying is that humanity is evil, i even posted saying that yes there are some that do good things,

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No. If a few people aren't evil, humanity cannot be classed as evil because there would be odd ones that don't fit the generalization, that much we agreed on there (what I was saying). However, if a few people are evil, it doesn't make humanity evil. Why is this? FOR THE SAME REASON. No matter how many are evil/not evil, as long as there is variety it cannot be defined as one thing. You can't go to a school with 250 white people and 20 black people and say "this is a white school", just in the same way that you can't say "this is a black school".

so by MY logic i am taking majority vote

and even if i take it from a logic stand point,

people are greedy, people are selfish no matter who you are,

so from the definition of wrong, which is things that are frowned upon.

yes humanity is evil or well wrong.

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adj., e·vil·er, e·vil·est.

1. Morally bad or wrong; wicked: an evil tyrant.
2. Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful: the evil effects of a poor diet.
3. Characterized by or indicating future misfortune; ominous: evil omens.
4. Bad or blameworthy by report; infamous: an evil reputation.
5. Characterized by anger or spite; malicious: an evil temper.

n.

1. The quality of being morally bad or wrong; wickedness.
2. That which causes harm, misfortune, or destruction: a leader's power to do both good and evil.
3. An evil force, power, or personification.
4. Something that is a cause or source of suffering, injury, or destruction: the social evils of poverty and injustice.
http://www.answers.com/topic/evil
If you read the first one, by your morals greed, destruction and lynching isn't bad or wrong? Because according to this that's pretty evil. I am only allowed one option of victory and that's to convince you that humanity is evil. However you can just simply say no all you want because the question isn't (Is humanity good or evil?) It's (Is humanity evil)
Tell me what is evil to you, so that I can actually debate with you about this instead of you obstinately saying no like it's impossible. You make it sound like it doesn't even exist.

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That's because I don't believe it exists objectively, which is why you can't define it. It's a purely subjective opinion, just as much as "does this pie taste good?". You can't say "yes" and then assume the pie tastes good, others may disagree.

Personally, if we're talking morals: I think any attempt that could physically/emotionally hurt anyone that's made without any result of personal gain is imorral. I also think that others are free to think of that as moral, but then I think I am free to think of those as douchebags. Also, the extent to which my morals work (i.e. the personal gain involved) is entirely dependant on the situation. It's not all black and white.

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Also, can we not ignore my previous comment and respond only to this one please?

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You are stupid,People ARE selfish, it is instinct to Do things that benefit them selves. So guess what it may be a generalization. but it's true which makes them evil. you can deny it all you want, but just saying that is enough. i also don't even need to bring up statistics Zed put up one for me proving that people are selfish.

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One could argue just by being a member of humanity you help drive the machine of pain and destruction further into total self obliteration. Even if your actions don't directly cause any evil to take place you existing does, the things you waist the suffering you cause subconsciously, lets stop looking at this from a human point of view and look at it from the rest of the world, the world doesn't have much left to give, why? Because of us.

Just us being here even by drinking a soda and recycling the bottle eventually you will just through it away to be tossed into an enormous scum pit known as land fills to help pull the earth to it's own destruction. Even if you have good intentions you will eventually help destroy everything you're trying to help and by doing so inevitably kill all humans by causing the pain and misery of the oxygen depleting and our land running out of room because of our filth that we selfishly throw out just for convenience is evil, making our later generations deal with the our horrible mistakes is evil, whether you like it or not you are evil without even trying to be because when that moment comes that you slip up you are harming another living being emotionally or physically.

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Yes and you are too, you sit there denying any evidence of people being evil, just like you are now you are proving my points, so thank you for being such a collosal retard for proving my posts. so thank you.

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I don't think we're doing much damage to the world at all. We're doing a hell of a lot of damage to ourselves by killing ourselves off with global warming and pollution. The Earth has endured much more than pesks like us (think: meteors, Ice Ages, solar flares, shifting of the poles).

By my standards, passively doing this is not evil. That's my whole point! To me, it would only be evil if we were contributing to this for the sake of contributing to it. Besides which, the only thing we're hurting is ourselves, and if we all do it, we are literally hurting OURSELVES, not other people in some sense.

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Yeah the earth has endured more but the other species on it haven't. We have made an enormous amount of species go extinct by our actions, where not hurting just us but everything around us.

Tell me how do you passively destroy us all,

do you take satisfaction in that,

you can just help fuel our destruction like it doesn't matter.

I would say that is very evil indeed, not caring or acting like you don't know the harm you're causing, that should be evil by even your standards.

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Alright then

1. there is murder,gang wars, stealing gone wrong ect.

2. instinct: Selfishness. stinginess resulting from a concern for your own welfare and a disregard of others

3.killing over a girl, rape that kind of thing.

4 racism.

5.prejudice on gays, religion religions on religions.

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Not everbody does this. Some of these things may be moral to some people (stealing for lack of food etc).

Not everbody is like this. Some people may not see this as wrong.

Not everbody is like this.

not everybody is racist. Most aren't in my opinion.