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Alright, first off let me start off by saying that I don't mean to incite a religious flame war or debate or whatever in this thread. Having said that, as many of you may know (or not know, since I'm not as obvious about as some people on this site) I am an atheist.

By Atheist you mean you're like a normal Atheist who bashes Christianity and knows little to nothing about the beliefs?

Anyways, disclaimers aside, I intend, over the next several months to do something that 95% of the world, and 98% of Christians have not done; to read the bible from cover to cover.

The rest of what you say, in my opinion, is already bull shit. Just so you know. 98% of Christians not reading the Bible is a sure lie. My old pastor read through the Bible at least 10 times a year. So did his wife, his daughter, and their entire family. At my old Christian school, we were forced to read the Bible, know scripture, and everything in between. You disproved yourself already, oh well. You also say that about 95% of the world hasn't read the Bible either. Does that mean that 98% of Atheists bash Christianity and are constantly pulling shit out of their asses because they only know some of the strange things that they've heard about the religion? Good to know that every Atheist that has ever debated Christianity is wrong. At least from your statistics and points of view. I'm glad that you're part of the 2% that will read the Bible.

I intend to read through it and mark places that contribute to existing catholic ideals such as :

Homophobia Actually, I never heard of anything that said anything about faggots. It just says that Men should be with Women.
Sex before Marriage Again, I cannot recall. All I know is that they don't believe in divorce and cheating is a sin.
Masturbation Never heard anything about it. Maybe the whole self pleasure thing would include that, but it isn't clear.

As well as things they don't like to admit, such as :

Racism Obviously, there's racism everywhere. There always has been, and there always will be.
General Sexism Same thing as racism.

I think it will be an interesting challenge, as well as a useful tool for pretty much any religious debate ever (not that I intend in inciting those, I'm more interested in finding out first hand the basis for notable religious biases as well as the existence of equally valid ones in the bible that they ignore)

I hope it's a useful tool, that way you don't bull shit your entire debate.

So, why am I posting this thread?

Well, I don't know about all christian morals or points of contention about the christian religion (surprising, I know) I'd like you guys to point out anything else you'd like me to look out for in my reading.

Might want to check out the fact that God didn't write the Bible. People did. That might actually be able to explain a lot of the unexplainable. Seeing as how everyone has their own views, and there could be a lot of misinterpretation. I'm glad that you think the Bible is 100% dead on.

Gracias.

Quote from Jeremy

I can pretty much already tell you that you wont find anything concerning masturbation, besides Jesus first sermon ever, where he says that anyone who even looks at a woman with lust is committing adultery. Besides that you are really standing on straws.

Fasle. If you're married and think about another woman like that. Even in an arranged marriage. That would be adultery.

Here is a funner way to study the bible, go through the first testament trying to find Jesus before he was born in the new testament. (Hint: Anytime it says "the angel of the lord" that's jesus.)

The angel of the lord isn't Jesus lol. Even though Jesus is referred to as the son of God, God consists of The Almighty God that he is (yaaaaaay), The Holy Ghost, and Jesus. Never the Angel of the lord. Besides, Jesus is referred to as the Lord and Savior. I forgot the Angels name that you're thinking of though, it isn't Jesus though. I lawld.

Or, you could try and find references to the second coming of Jesus Christ before he even first arrives. (Hint: Its in genesis 3)

It was always predicted that God was going to send is only son to die for our sins, and when the world rejected God and faith, that the earth would experience total Armeggeddon and that In a second of the night, Jesus would come again and take all of the believers away to Heaven, leaving the earth to literally convert to hell on earth.

If you really want to take racism out of context, go to collossians in the new testament, that's where Paul talks about slaves needing to be good slaves in order to do right.

Back then slaves were in. Slaves have always been around from one point or another. If you lived in a world where there have been slaves for hundreds of years, would you want a slave that doesn't want to be a slave and refuses to work and shit? You're good at this. Again, the Bible wasn't written by God.

Quote from Schwa

Well I've already found plenty on sexism in genesis and whatever is after that, so I think I'm on a good track :)

Quote from Real

Anti-evolution theory sentiment. That's one big thing.

In general, see how many inconsistencies you can find. You know, where it says one thing in one part but then says something nearly opposite later on.

Different people wrote the Bible. you didn't expect that to happen? They're ancient documents compiled into one book. I doubt that God had an intention for the Bible.

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Some people argue that it meant 7 pairs. Others say it was just 7 of each clean animal and 2 of each dirty one. It's ambiguous. Either way, there is more animal in the ark than there is dimensions described, and Noah and his family, assuming they don't sleep and only feed each animal once a day, have to feed 14 animals per second each.

2 of each kind. One Male, one Female. Not 9 of every kind. . . Besides, my Grandfather used to have cows. He had one Bull for every 20 or 30 Cows. Why would Noah need 7? That's stupid. Also. The Arks dimensions were never specified. The Ark was never found after the flood. Either sank to the bottom of the ocean, or was destroyed upon the rocks and shit. No one knows, but they assume that they do.

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How do you know moses outlived adam?

Genesis 2:7 - The time came when the lord god formed a mans body from the dust and ground and breathed life into it the breath of life. And man became a living person

Now, we have to assume this is when Adam was born, in essence year one for Adam, he is one years old. After this the bible says god created the garden, It never says how long he waited after adams birth to PLANT the garden, never says he just bamfed it there into existence, again, don't know how long it took the garden to grow. After it grew he put adam there to tend to the garden (imagine doing that, the plants never die, they just get bigger, after the fall, all life started degenerating, so before it, how do you think that worked? What kind of work was that?) Then after this, an unspecified ammount of time passed by before he said man was lonely, and created eve.

So really we dont know how long adam was even alive for.


Even though the bible said he was 130. ;[

BUT, if life was always regenerating before the fall, then wouldnt he only start aging after the fall? Which would mean he would only start counting his years after the fall. So all that above still applies!



Lol.

Gracias senor' Its good to be back.


When Adam and Eve were tricked by Satan, God revoked them from the Garden of Eden. Then they began to Age. People lived a lot longer back in the day.

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So the bible goes into this part where it's talking about adam's sons and his sons sons and all that stuff after Cain kills Abel and it's like a page long and it says "Adam lived this long then fathered Cain and Abel" "Then Adam lived this long and fathered sons and daughters" "The total years Adam lived is 930"

And it does the exact same thing for Noah ending with "The total years Noah lived is 950"

I shit you not. I'll get the line and stuff after dinner.

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Genesis 5:3 "And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth"
Genesis 5:5 "and all the days that adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Noah is at Genesis 9:29 "And all the days of noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died."

Misinterpretation? Probably.

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Oh I know, I read that. Im arguing that technically, he didnt start aging until after the fall, and we dont know how long he and eve lived in the garden before the fall, so he would be 1,000,930 for all we know, and all moses knew.Thanks for saying something that doesn't make me hate Atheists even more.

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You keep on saying moses when I thought we were talking about noah?

Anyways I believe you are more correct than you think. I believe it says that seasons and the passage of time were instituted after the fall of man (it says something about toil and setting the seasons of harvest and winter and whatnot, I can look it up if you really want)

Hoooowwwevver.

Mortal Noah still outlived mortal Adam (neglecting the part where he is immortal for a period of time).

Biblical fact.

Also, where are you getting this regeneration stuff? Honestly I don't know. It mentions a tree of life in the garden of eden towards the end of the story when they are kicked out (it says they are cut off from the tree of life in the garden of eden by a fiery sword or whatever) which I will interperet as symbolically as the tree of knoweledge, as in completely literally. So just because there is a tree of life (that presumably allows them to live forever) that doesn't mean everything else lives forever :/

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe you would be an agnostic.

One who doesn't agree with religion, yet retains that there is the possibility of a superior being, and/or does not want to be affiliated with the anti religious zealots most people assimilate atheists with.

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do you believe in heaven then?

Fasle. If you're married and think about another woman like that. Even in an arranged marriage. That would be adultery.

The angel of the lord isn't Jesus lol. Even though Jesus is referred to as the son of God, God consists of The Almighty God that he is (yaaaaaay), The Holy Ghost, and Jesus. Never the Angel of the lord. Besides, Jesus is referred to as the Lord and Savior. I forgot the Angels name that you're thinking of though, it isn't Jesus though. I lawld.

Back then slaves were in. Slaves have always been around from one point or another. If you lived in a world where there have been slaves for hundreds of years, would you want a slave that doesn't want to be a slave and refuses to work and shit? You're good at this. Again, the Bible wasn't written by God.

I cannot stress more for you to keep in mind that God didn't write the Bible. For all we know, sinners could have written the Bible, and threw in some things to throw everyone off. No one knows, why care? The Bible (for Christians) is meant as an instruction book in which you should live your life by. I don't find it that hard to try and be a good person instead of being a dick that wants to try and win a debate that will never be won. Also, another thing to keep in mind. No matter who tells you, or where you may have heard it from, not beleiving in God won't necessarily cause you to go to "Hell". You go to hell for being a sinner, which is a person who breaks one of God's ten commandments that were given by Moses.