This is a topic I think we need to resurrect, a lot of us are older and a lot of us have seen more money than we ever have previously.

The last two years haven't changed my opinion on this at all, money can buy me happiness. I don't really do well with girlfriends, because I never last a week with a girl. But things like my computer, my xbox, they make me happy. Sure girls give me happiness, but not for long.

Thats because you need money to keep girls happy.

Point still stands.

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The last two years haven't changed my opinion on this at all, money can buy me happiness. I don't really do well with girlfriends, because I never last a week with a girl. But things like my computer, my xbox, they make me happy. Sure girls give me happiness, but not for long.

I don't feel as though happiness is something bought or purchased as though it had any monetary value. To me happiness is found, it's discovered, regardless of whether or not money had anything to do with it.
Have you ever "cheesy example" been in the sunlight calm and collected and just been happy? Surely one can understand that happiness can get derived out of anything material or not.
But is it the material that is the cause of the happiness or is it within yourself? Can you truly claim that the xbox is the cause of happiness? Or was it something that you found within yourself when you enjoyed it?
Happiness is objective, anyone is capable of feeling happiness. However, not just anyone is capable of feeling happiness with an xbox. I feel like the material is subjective, you don't need money to obtain said joy.
Therefor one can state that monetarily obtained happiness is clearly subjective.

Where is he going with this? "Can money buy you happiness?" Is subjective and as such that means that you need facts to prove it, however the emotion of happiness itself is fact, it exists without money or matter which would mean that anyone vouching that money can indeed buy you happiness is at default disadvantage by needing to prove anything at all.

The fact remains that happiness exist without physical intervention from other accessories, happiness is obtained from a combination of reaction and surroundings but the root is always within yourself. So I say nay, only you can find happiness for yourself in anything.

That's a very compelling argument, that actually changed my view of things. You're very correct.

The argument is "DOES money buy happyness" not "Do you NEED money to be happy". The answer is yes. If you buy Mcdonalds, it make you happy. If you buy an Xbox, its because playing it will make you happy. If they didnt make you happy, you wouldnt be spending your money on it.

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The argument is "DOES money buy happyness" not "Do you NEED money to be happy". The answer is yes. If you buy Mcdonalds, it make you happy. If you buy an Xbox, its because playing it will make you happy. If they didnt make you happy, you wouldnt be spending your money on it.

You seem to be under the impression that material things will always cause joy if you seek them out.

To which I reply with: Don't be facetious.
buyers remorse wouldn't exist if the item they obtained was satisfactory 100% of the time. People work nickle and dime to be nickle and dimed to pay for more shit they don't need, that's how marketing works. It makes you WANT material possessions with promise that it will make you happy, but whether or not it does is like flipping a coin.

Do you need money to be happy? Don't be absurd, people existed without money for quite some time without cash, you claim that happiness didn't exist prior?
Ridiculous.

Your also expected to make informed purchases. You should know weather or not something will make you happy before you buy it.

Jutsu has a point on that last one, for millions upon millions of years there was no currency. People obviously found happiness then,

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Your also expected to make informed purchases. You should know weather or not something will make you happy before you buy it.

Also ridiculous.
You debunked your entire argument right there, you proved that you needed to understand the happiness within yourself prior to the purchase.

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you claim that happiness didn't exist prior

I never said any such thing.

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Also ridiculous.
You debunked your entire argument right there, you proved that you needed to understand the happiness within yourself prior to the purchase.

How does that debunk it? How does understanding that something will make you happy... make you happy. Who would be happier? The kid that bought an Xbox because he knows that playing Halo will make him happy, or the kid that knows the same thing, but doesnt have money to buy an Xbox?

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Jutsu has a point on that last one, for millions upon millions of years there was no currency. People obviously found happiness then,

This seems to be implying that we are arguing "money is NEEDED for happiness" which, as Scared pointed out, we are not. we are simply arguing that it is possible for money to make you happy.

Now, I'm going to take the metaphysical route here, and i will either totally convince you, or you will forever see me as a complete asshole, i will leave that up to you:

Lets look at the Goldilocks effect
1) because of time/space being effectivley infinite (in my opinion, you may disagree, but I think most of you won't) and because of the more radical view of parralell worlds, in effect an infinite number of possibilities must have occured
2) if an infinite number of possibilities have occured, ever single logically possible event (events which dont go against the basic laws of the universe (PVP')) must have happened.
3) it is logically possible for money to make you happy (if you say it is logically impossible, you must first back up your argument, and prove that it goes against the physical/logical laws of the universe)
4) therefore, at some point in time, money has/will make someone happy
5) if it has/will happen, then it is possible
conclusion: it is possible for money to make you happy

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That's the laziest fucking explanation I've ever heard.

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That's the laziest fucking explanation I've ever heard.

I uhhh, I agree, I won't even justify it with a retort of any variety.