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No. We remove the old system and replace it with a new one.

How is that fair for the people who don't abuse it?

And any system that can be abused is flawed to begin with.

Anyone can say they used a system to do bad things. I guess all systems are flawed then.

Saying humans shouldn't abuse is stupid, because they will.

I hate it when people use this argument. We take away all the blame and responsibility from ourselves and put it on something else. Especially if that thing is abstract and can't commit any of these concrete evils you claim it to do.

(I completely ignored all other posts, this is just my 2 cents)

This is a very conflicted idea. Religion is the cause of most, if not all, wars in the history of mankind. Yet if there was no belief in right or wrong and no higher power would reward us for being good, we'd just all do terrible things to each other all the time simply because the outcome will be the same regardless.

See this is why I'm just straight up non-religious. Because religion is a terribly selfish thing. You do good things because you'll be rewarded for it, not because you believe it's right. I don't need the promise of eternal paradise to do correct and right things in my lifetime.

gotta lol at the idea of religions causing most wars. I thought the simple fact of wanting more land started most wars.

Then you need to learn your history better. Of course they want more land. But they always want more land in the name of God, Allah, someotherweirdassreligiousthing, etc etc

You said God and Allah. Sounds like your judging the 500 years that passed of Christianity and Islam warring with each other as "all time." Since the 18 century, I don't know many wars that were over religion, and there are quite a few wars since then.

They're just used as examples.

Major wars in the past have been specifically because some dictator or whoever was running the show believed everyone should follow certain federal rules. They dislike how another group of people is run. Now normally they wouldn't give less of a shit if another country falls under a different system of control. However when they begin attacking other countries in order to put them under their control, there's more to it besides just being power hungry. Hitler believed he should be the chosen one. Destroyed Jews for it. Communists and all that totalitarianism and absolutism falls under the same line. They believe that divine law falls under their jurisdiction and how the world should be run.

You definitely shouldn't rule out the Christian and Islamic wars out though as a major major portion of history. The Crusades were probably some of the most gruesome events to occur in the history of mankind.

If there was no religion, I admit that the wars between Jews and Muslims would cease to exist. That would be a good thing. The rest of the world seems to fight wars over other thing now a days.

I can admit that a lot of wars were started without religion being in the process. But those started from there are completely stupid. But all war is stupid, so that really doesn't make an excuse.

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How is that fair for the people who don't abuse it?

Well since the abusers can't abuse anymore, they are now equal and the abusers have no advantages over them.

Also, we'd have a better system, so that's only better for everyone.

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Anyone can say they used a system to do bad things. I guess all systems are flawed then.

...What? That's bullshit.

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I hate it when people use this argument. We take away all the blame and responsibility from ourselves and put it on something else. Especially if that thing is abstract and can't commit any of these concrete evils you claim it to do.

I used to be in your position. I used to trust people and think that we should all just grow up and take some damn responsibility.

But we won't. People are fucking children. Look around you. Everyone is so obsessed over bullshit all the fucking damned day long. Now, that CAN be changed. Hell, I'm even active in trying to do that. But we need a better environment first. We NEED a system that stimulates good and responsible behavior. After that, we will grow up and start being responsible out of habit.

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If there was no religion, I admit that the wars between Jews and Muslims would cease to exist. That would be a good thing. The rest of the world seems to fight wars over other thing now a days.

No they don't.
There are hundreds of wars in Africa today which the media won't even tell you about that are between christian and muslim tribes, trying to take over the governments and shit.
And in Asia there is a whole Jihad going on in Pakistan and all those countries whose names I can't pronounce.

The only wars that aren't motivated by Religion right now, are USA wars in the Middle East. And USA is the most christian nation on the fucking planet.


Can you see the connection between war and religion there?

Religion is a lie guys, to cover up the fact that there is nothing else good for us in a long time.
A supreme guy who loves each and every one of us and reads fan mail (prayer): I mean really?!

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No they don't.
There are hundreds of wars in Africa today which the media won't even tell you about that are between christian and muslim tribes, trying to take over the governments and shit.
And in Asia there is a whole Jihad going on in Pakistan and all those countries whose names I can't pronounce.

The only wars that aren't motivated by Religion right now, are USA wars in the Middle East. And USA is the most christian nation on the fucking planet.


Can you see the connection between war and religion there?

Whatever happened to the belief that the US was only there for the oil? Looks like the world can't make up its mind on what is actually going on over there.

I didn't know Christianity was that big in Africa. I thought they were warring over other things.

yeh, i think africans have bigger problems on their hands like starvation and AIDs

No, they have religion.

In kenya, 80% of the population was Christian, whereas 20% was muslim, and there was an intense hatred between the two groups.

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No, they have religion.

In kenya, 80% of the population was Christian, whereas 20% was muslim, and there was an intense hatred between the two groups.

I've learned something new today. I feel so smart. See, i don't need school, all I need is Stickpage.

The hatred between the U.S. and Middle East of course mainly stemmed around the whole 9/11 and Iraq Invasion debacle. Why did 9/11 happen? Religious beliefs.