The World Would Be Better Off Without Religion
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Jul 5, 2012 8:50 PM #691062
It is possible to live without food...just watch the video provided...Again there are people who have lived decades without food... Have an open mind and research, stray from your dogmatic ways of thinking. :P
Jul 5, 2012 9:25 PM #691078
I'm insulted that you think I haven't researched this. You didn't answer my last question, though. Do you know why we eat certain things? Do you know why no culture around the entire world eats dirt, but all of them happen to eat vegetables if they're around?
Jul 5, 2012 9:27 PM #691080
It is possible to live without food if you have the mental prowess to control your body, I just don't think you would be very active and mostly just stay in a meditative state.
Jul 5, 2012 9:36 PM #691085
Fusion: don't get all butt-hurt dude, Just providing my perspective on stuffs. People eat food for many different reasons, mostly for entertainment. People do it to prove a point, cleanse their body, or induce altered states. Same thing goes for people who eat vegetables "Just because they're around" I must agree that Cabbage taste's much more satisfying than dirt.
@Gaaading: yes, living without food takes strong willpower, and not many people are up to the task. But there are many breatharians out there who are very active...Jericho Sunfire for instance...
Although i would like to note that It would likely be very hard to do in heavily polluted areas. Because you'd probably need to detoxify to clean the heavily dense toxins floating in the city air...
@Gaaading: yes, living without food takes strong willpower, and not many people are up to the task. But there are many breatharians out there who are very active...Jericho Sunfire for instance...
Although i would like to note that It would likely be very hard to do in heavily polluted areas. Because you'd probably need to detoxify to clean the heavily dense toxins floating in the city air...
Jul 5, 2012 9:39 PM #691087
Quote from Sh0tgunjeeze. I guess opinion is as taboo as religion nowadays. I'll remember to keep my mouth shut for now on.
Opinion is fine, although never particularly interesting. An opinion is something like "I like the taste of apples". "God exists" is not an opinion - it is a statement about the facts of reality which is either true or false. Just because you don't know which does not make it an opinion.
Quote from AnubisAny Intuition that you had that turned out to be true or Deja Vu moment is a type of ESP, There are many people who have had out of body experiences.
Deja vu is a well explained neurological phenomenon. And guessing right is not special. There are a finite number of things to guess - some of the time you will be right. It's only special if you can do it repeatedly and consistently.
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Quote from GaaadingIt is possible to live without food if you have the mental prowess to control your body, I just don't think you would be very active and mostly just stay in a meditative state.
Nope. For your heart to beat you need energy. Humans are not capable of photosynthesis - we need to consume energy from plants which are, or from animals which ate those plants.
Jul 5, 2012 10:08 PM #691101
Quote from ZedOpinion is fine, although never particularly interesting. An opinion is something like "I like the taste of apples". "God exists" is not an opinion - it is a statement about the facts of reality which is either true or false. Just because you don't know which does not make it an opinion.
Ahem. I wasn't talking about "God existing" when I said that opinions are apparently not welcome. I was talking about how America appears to work.
Some people say that America is the best country ever. Other people say it's the worst. Depending on the situation, "Good VS Bad" can be either opinion OR fact.
Jul 5, 2012 10:12 PM #691106
@Zed: the links you provided are explanations of certain types of deja-vu, which are valid, but limited. There are obvious cases of amnesia and memory loss that have resulted in deja vu like occurances, but have later fully remembered. But there are other instances where people are able to remember full conversations and events even before they happen. Plus, the fact that it can be explained doesn't dispute that it is a form of ESP, which is a type of spiritual awareness. Expert psychologists even agree to this.
I've already provided a link of a Breatharian, someone who can live without the consumption of food. And there are many others like him...Plus there are many ways to find energy other than eating food.
All points obviously have no inherent ties to any type of particular religion :P
PS: that link is funny, But New Ideas are not always quickly picked up by money, hungry capitalists. Especially if it keeps them from getting money, like breatharianism does...I have yet to see all corporations switch to organic or vegan based foods despite their inherent nutritional value being greater than that of processed and greasy food...
I've already provided a link of a Breatharian, someone who can live without the consumption of food. And there are many others like him...Plus there are many ways to find energy other than eating food.
All points obviously have no inherent ties to any type of particular religion :P
PS: that link is funny, But New Ideas are not always quickly picked up by money, hungry capitalists. Especially if it keeps them from getting money, like breatharianism does...I have yet to see all corporations switch to organic or vegan based foods despite their inherent nutritional value being greater than that of processed and greasy food...
Jul 5, 2012 10:16 PM #691108
Quote from Zed
Nope. For your heart to beat you need energy. Humans are not capable of photosynthesis - we need to consume energy from plants which are, or from animals which ate those plants.
Well I didn't mean indefinitely, eventually the body will waste away due to the lack of energy supply. I am just saying that with huge amount of willpower you could mentally slow your bodily processes down to where your body only uses the utmost minimal amount of energy. You could be living without food for a time, but you would have to maintain constant focus and you won't really be going anywhere.
Jul 6, 2012 4:05 AM #691232
About the eating thing, didnt some monks only eat like a single plant for weeks? :l of topic now? :p
Jul 6, 2012 8:16 AM #691309
Quote from AnubisI've already provided a link of a Breatharian, someone who can live without the consumption of food. And there are many others like him...Plus there are many ways to find energy other than eating food.
Trying to watch through that now, although it's horribly made and far too long. I'm at the part where he says he was an amateur rugby player in international games, which I'm pretty sure is bullshit. England does not, to my knowledge, have any amateur rugby players in international games. Haven't got to any bit about living without food yet, but I'm sure when it comes it will be a lie too.
Incidentally,
Few breatharians have submitted themselves to medical testing; of those that have, including a hospital's observation of an Indian mystic surviving without food or water for 15 days,[2] none have undergone peer review with results independently reproduced. In a handful of documented cases, individuals attempting breatharian fasting have died,[3][4][5] and among the claims investigated by the Indian Rationalist Association, all were found to be fraudulent.[6]
Jul 6, 2012 9:01 AM #691322
In that exact same article...
This guy ate a meal on screen...Mind you these people have a different perspective on food entirely. He didn't eat it for survival or even energy, he ate for taste.
This guy had to gurgle and spit out water for testing...it isnt even in the same ball park as "eating food to consume energy"
Lol it's not the most eventful documentary, but it is informative. Plus there are lots of other videos on there speaking on the subject as well. Of course there are people that have died doing this kind of thing, but usually they are not listening to their body. Even Jericho says that breatharianism takes time, Its a change of a belief you've had even before you were born. Trying to stop cold turkey will lead to horrific results.
The thing about Most religions is that they present a dogmatic spiritual view that tells you to automatically censor anything outside of it. But Beliefs, like opinions, can be changed. And The thing religion hasn't done in a very long time is test how deeply entrenched your beliefs can be. There is so much more opportunity for spiritual and personal development out there that one single biased religion cannot possibly teach.
Hira Ratan Manek (Click to Show)
This guy ate a meal on screen...Mind you these people have a different perspective on food entirely. He didn't eat it for survival or even energy, he ate for taste.
Prahlad Jani (Click to Show)
Lol it's not the most eventful documentary, but it is informative. Plus there are lots of other videos on there speaking on the subject as well. Of course there are people that have died doing this kind of thing, but usually they are not listening to their body. Even Jericho says that breatharianism takes time, Its a change of a belief you've had even before you were born. Trying to stop cold turkey will lead to horrific results.
The thing about Most religions is that they present a dogmatic spiritual view that tells you to automatically censor anything outside of it. But Beliefs, like opinions, can be changed. And The thing religion hasn't done in a very long time is test how deeply entrenched your beliefs can be. There is so much more opportunity for spiritual and personal development out there that one single biased religion cannot possibly teach.
Jul 6, 2012 9:39 AM #691333
Quote from Anubis
Lol it's not the most eventful documentary, but it is informative. Plus there are lots of other videos on there speaking on the subject as well. Of course there are people that have died doing this kind of thing, but usually they are not listening to their body.
So, if you don't do this thing properly, the result happens to be the exact same as the one we would expect if it was all false? And I'd be interested in knowing what "listening to their body" means.
Even Jericho says that breatharianism takes time, Its a change of a belief you've had even before you were born. Trying to stop cold turkey will lead to horrific results.
I'm assuming you mean before you were born as in ejected out of your mother's womb, and not before you were conceived (because that would be obvious nonsense), but even then, you don't eat when you're in the womb, you receive nutrition through the navel. Surely, at this point in time you don't have any concept of "eating" as you've never done it.
The thing about Most religions is that they present a dogmatic spiritual view that tells you to automatically censor anything outside of it. But Beliefs, like opinions, can be changed. And The thing religion hasn't done in a very long time is test how deeply entrenched your beliefs can be. There is so much more opportunity for spiritual and personal development out there that one single biased religion cannot possibly teach.
Please define spiritual development, everyone has a different definition of spirituality.
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Jul 6, 2012 11:09 AM #691371
There ya go.Quote from godmouth
"So, if you don't do this thing properly, the result happens to be the exact same as the one we would expect if it was all false?" Exactly, Same rule applies to anything you do incorrectly.
And I'd be interested in knowing what "listening to their body" means. In this instance, eating when your body tells you to, and stopping when the body feels uncomfortable...People that succeed in this type of thing dont eat for long periods of time because their body doesn't hunger for food.
I'm assuming you mean before you were born as in ejected out of your mother's womb, and not before you were conceived (because that would be obvious nonsense), but even then, you don't eat when you're in the womb, you receive nutrition through the navel. Surely, at this point in time you don't have any concept of "eating" as you've never done it. Thanks, I do mean in the womb, and the baby is recieving the nutrition from the food that mother ate...that means the baby is eating whatever the mother eats. When the baby leaves the womb they are given formula and milk to eat and drink, so it is a rather hardwired gift from the parent
Please define spiritual development, everyone has a different definition of spirituality. That is true. I basically define spirituality development as an activity that pushes a person towards an enhanced awareness of their present physical, emotional or mental state.
Jul 6, 2012 12:54 PM #691415
Quote from Anubis@Exilement: I assumed u were asking me a question regarding this statement: "He visits people in many ways, whether they're religious or not." ,my answer was regarding that. Bushes refers to the infamous burning bush Moses spoke to. Plus many religions practice meditation, and most near death experiences happen to religious folk...they see angels and stuff sometimes during it too. But meditation isn't a "religious tool" per-say. God is a spiritual entity, Spirituality is crucial to experience god fully...you don't have to be religious to be spiritual.
The burning bush is a story in a religious text, it's not an example of "god without religion". Religions practice meditation, but research has explained what it does to the brain and the CNS on a scientific level. Same with near death experiences, which are not unique to theists.
Quote from AnubisPeople eat food for many different reasons, mostly for entertainment. People do it to prove a point, cleanse their body, or induce altered states.
They do it for survival. Not for "entertainment".
Look, I'm no stranger to thoroughly explaining scientific matters to people who are talking out of their ass. You're talking about breatharianism like it's something that's obviously real, as if anyone who believes otherwise is clueless. You're as far off as it gets.
If you really want me to explain why the human body needs food to survive, and why you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, let me know, I'd be happy to do it. But it'd save us a lot of time if you just trust me here.
Jul 6, 2012 1:37 PM #691435
The burning bush is a story in a religious text, it's not an example of "god without religion". It is an example of how a person was visited by god, and Moses wasn't exactly a religious person, but spiritual. Mind you he didn't find god by going to church every Sunday and reading a bible. His story was just placed in a book that is used by religion.
"Religions practice meditation, but research has explained what it does to the brain and the CNS on a scientific level. Same with near death experiences, which are not unique to theists." Again, the fact that something can be explained doesn't lower it's value. The fact that near death experiences are not unique to theists proves my point that religion isn't needed.
"Look, I'm no stranger to thoroughly explaining scientific matters to people who are talking out of their ass. You're talking about breatharianism like it's something that's obviously real, as if anyone who believes otherwise is clueless. You're as far off as it gets."I did not say that anyone who believes otherwise is clueless. People can believe what they want. I'm just offering an idea, so please calm down.
"If you really want me to explain why the human body needs food to survive, and why you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, let me know, I'd be happy to do it. But it'd save us a lot of time if you just trust me here." I can trust you and your belief, why can't you trust mine? Especially when i've given examples. I don't care if you go into detail or not.
"Religions practice meditation, but research has explained what it does to the brain and the CNS on a scientific level. Same with near death experiences, which are not unique to theists." Again, the fact that something can be explained doesn't lower it's value. The fact that near death experiences are not unique to theists proves my point that religion isn't needed.
"Look, I'm no stranger to thoroughly explaining scientific matters to people who are talking out of their ass. You're talking about breatharianism like it's something that's obviously real, as if anyone who believes otherwise is clueless. You're as far off as it gets."I did not say that anyone who believes otherwise is clueless. People can believe what they want. I'm just offering an idea, so please calm down.
"If you really want me to explain why the human body needs food to survive, and why you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, let me know, I'd be happy to do it. But it'd save us a lot of time if you just trust me here." I can trust you and your belief, why can't you trust mine? Especially when i've given examples. I don't care if you go into detail or not.